Comments on: Would God Allow His Bride to Go Through the Great Tribulation (And Why)?

By: Brenton

Brenton — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:17:26 +0000

Praise God for giving His gift of teaching to you Tim! And bless you bro for your obedience to Him and His word. I’ve found it very refreshing to read your articles, which beautifully bring together a lot of the bible passages and prophesies that I have been studying in a piecemeal way for many years.
It seems that some of the high profile pretrib bible teachers in the U.S. have a loud voice in Christian circles, but you offer a solid biblical (and i believe Holy Spirit inspired) refute to this. Thank you.

By: Wil

Wil — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:58:29 +0000

Brianna,

If you read Tim’s Book “Know the Future” you will see there is an escape for the elect. Now go buy and read the book.

By: Brianna

Brianna — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:13:23 +0000

Tim,

I know now that there is no rapture and that we will have to go through the Tribulation. I’ve known that for awhile now. I’ve done my research. However, the thought of it scares me to the core, and I think those that have already died are very lucky. My family is deadset on the rapture happening, and I’m scared for them and myself, for they might not survive and I may be alone. Being only sixteen years old (+7 years in between), I don’t think I’m going be able to make it on my own. I want to trust God, but like you said, obedience is going to be difficult, and one of my main obstacles in my faith is trusting God. I’m afraid for the unsaved part of my family and the ‘rapture’ side of my family whose faith might give away when they realize there is no such thing. I feel like such a coward. Do you have any words of advice for me? Thank you so much.

By: Tim McHyde

Tim McHyde — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 23:07:49 +0000

First of all, it’s not a judgment, no where called that. The 7 bowls are alone explicitly called God’s wrath or judgments in Rev 15. The seals and trumpets show 14 other developments or events on the path toward the kingdom.

The 7th trumpet, or last trump, fulfills the Feast of Trumpets and marks the same celestial disturbances that Mt 24 describes at the end of the Great Tribulation. It also heralds the resurrection of the dead and the rapture of the living in Christ. Like Rev 11, it’s to “reward” the saints. So there is no judgment at the 7th trumpet, just a reward and a warning to those “left behind”

Skip to Rev 15 to continue the narrative and then you see those raptured up in heaven on the sea of glass. The seven bowl angels pass by on their way to dropping the seven bowls on the earth. Skip to Revelation 19 after the Rev 17+18 inset chapters to see the Day of the Lord/Yom Kippur when the bowls finish with the defeat of the Beast’s armies. Rev 20 starts the Millennium with Satan cast into the abyss (and his fallen angels too), to fulfill the Feast of Tabernacles.

By: CustodianMan

CustodianMan — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:08:09 +0000

So whats under the Seventh Trumpet Judgment?

By: Tim McHyde

Tim McHyde — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:50:27 +0000

Aha! I see where we are missing each other. You are under the impression that Rev 12 is part of the chronological narrative of 21 events (seals trumpets and bowls) that begins in Revelation 6 with the seals. You don’t seem to realize that Rev 12 is an inset chapter that shows history from before Jesus was born up until the Great Tribulation (5th trumpet). It is not a continuation of the 7th trumpet at the end of Rev 11. Oops!

By: CustodianMan

CustodianMan — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:41:38 +0000

Rev.12 is under the Seventh Trumpet which sounds in ch 11 v.15. Man put the chapters and verses in the Bible. You are playing with my words. I didn’t say that the Seventh Trumpet sounded in Rev.12. Read it again.

By: Tim McHyde

Tim McHyde — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:50:35 +0000

Again, according to your interpretation. You have to learn to separate the two or your going to frustrate yourself with how dumb or evil everyone else is for not being able to read or obey the Bible like you!

There is no 7th trumpet in Rev 12. Rev 12:7-10 is the same fall from heaven as Rev 9 the abyss. Yes, it says star in Rev 9 to throw you off. But keep reading. It refers to the leader of the abyss, the “angel” at the end. That angel is Satan who descends with the key and opens the abyss. God gives him permission when he kicks him out of heaven and begin his grand delusion.

By: CustodianMan

CustodianMan — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:37:44 +0000

The Seventh Trumpet sounds in v.15 of chapter 11 in Rev. The Fifth Trumpet only say’s that a star(angel) falls from heaven and was given the key to the bottomless pit releasing these locusts upon the earth. But under the Seventh Trumpet starting with Rev.12:7-10 is a very clear discription that Satan is cast out here and not under the Fifth Trumpet. He wasn’t cast out twice. Two different incidences, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE!!! One Woe in Ch.12 and only to the inhabiters of the earth.

By: Tim McHyde

Tim McHyde — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:41:16 +0000

I think you meant, “according to My interpretation”…not “according to the Bible.” =) Satan is cast from the earth into an abyss after the 7th bowl, but he is first cast from Heaven to the earth at the 5th trumpet. Go study Revelation carefully and you’ll see this borne out. You have to compare Rev 9 and Rev 12 and all the parts mentioning the woes. 7th trumpet = 3rd woe, 5th = 1st woe, Rev 12 mentions woes. Rev 9 is the 5th trumpet. It’s pretty solid.

It takes nothing from Christ. Christ did his work already. Now we need to do ours, growing in grace and knowledge and “to him who overcometh” (Rev 2-3).

To pretribbers, telling them we are going to be on the earth for the GT is “going through the Tribulation”. You’re not going to be in your current home, with your current lifestyle and amenities. It will require great sacrifice, a concept that most Americans don’t know the meaning of. Having moved to a ex-third world country/developing nation, I know what going through tribulation is about. God’s escape plan will still be a tribulation as having his protection will require obedience to his instructions that won’t be easy.