Comments on: Would God Allow His Bride to Go Through the Great Tribulation (And Why)?

By: Art Naranjo

Art Naranjo — Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:40:58 +0000

Tim enjoyed your post. I grew up being taught pre-tribulation rapture. The whole “God did not appoint us to wrath” theory was instilled in our heads over and over. Last year I began to question everything I had ever been taught. I have spent so many hours, days, weeks and months searching internet articles on so many different lessons we could learn from the Holy Bible. In the last 12 months, I have learned more than I ever had in the last 30 years being a Christian. GOD is great when one seeks the truth.

As concerning the rapture, I now truly believe with all my heart and soul it will happen as the Holy Bible tells us. At the last trumpets call. The church does and will go through the Great Tribulation. One thing I learned is that tribulation and wrath is not the same thing. Many people I been sharing my new knowledge of the Holy Bible have no idea how far apart those meaning are.

Somewhere in one of the replies I read someone state that the church is not mention again after Rev. chapter 4. Here are a few scriptures I found concerning the saints during the Great Tribulation. Revelations 5:8, 8:3,4, 11:18, 13:7,10, 14:12; 16:6, 17:6, 18:24.

Also one last thing I want to share with you. The first resurrection and the rapture are tied together (1 Thessalonians 4:15-16). You can’t have one without the other; first the Resurrection then Rapture, all in the blink of an eye. How then can pretrib claim the Rapture happen before the first Resurrection?

By: Tim McHyde

Tim McHyde — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:29:34 +0000

You’re welcome. Thanks for your support.

You’ll see the two wings of a great eagle explained in Chapter 5, Common Concerns under the Passports subheading where it connects

Exodus 19:4 (HCSB) — You have seen what I did to the Egyptians and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Me.
Revelation 12:14 (HCSB) — The woman was given two wings of a great eagle, so that she could fly from the serpent’s presence to her
place in the wilderness, where she was fed for a time, times, and half a time.

To show that the eagle’s wings denote divine providence, protection, guidance, miracles. We’ll have the same help for our exodus that they had in the Exodus.

By: Marna

Marna — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:10:26 +0000

Hi Tim, I’m not only enjoying your book but extremely thankful for it. I was a PK (preachers kid) raise in the pretrib rapture thing (I’m 50 something now) and kept it a secret that I couldn’t believe it. Through all the years of God’s workings in my life, He never did anything that was silly, redundant and didn’t make sense. Why would we go up in the air to sit and wait for the Trib to be over and then come back down? First problem for me was the woman with a place prepared in the wilderness. Didn’t make sense. So, I waited patiently, all the while believing that someday someone would come along who would have the Godly wisdom and understanding to put this all together in a way that was “real”. And this is it! THANK YOU!!!!

I have a question too. The woman is given two wings of a great eagle. I know you must have seen this. Eagle = USA? OK; previously the wings are broken off from the Lion (England) and then farther on is Babylon (American) being destroyed. I agree with all of that. But, there it is again. Two wings of a great eagle. Hmmm. Any new insight there? I know the “church” in America is Laodicea for sure – but there is also a fairly large collection of “saints” in America under the main radar – could they be the true, hidden “great eagle”? I know this is purely speculation.

By: Tim McHyde

Tim McHyde — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:44:18 +0000

No, it’s just your opinion, not facts.

No, the Church did not replace Israel, however the 70 weeks happen here on earth so they affect everyone. Maybe you are one of those believers who thinks there’s a pretrib rapture so the church is not on earth for the 70th week?

By: Kevin

Kevin — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:15:46 +0000

There are so many things wrong with your tribulation timeline. You fail to recognize that the 7 year tribulation period is the 70th Week of Daniel, which is spoken of in Daniel chapter 9. The 70 weeks were given for Israel to make an end of sin and to receive their Messiah, who is Jesus Christ. 69 of the 70 weeks have been fulfilled, and then the Church Age began at Pentecost 2000 years ago. Israel was scattered into all of the nations until the Balfour agreement was signed in 1917. Slowly the Jews started coming back to their land, culminating to the 1948 declaration of the nation of Israel. Ezekiel 36 & 37 were fulfilled during that timeframe, and Israel is about to enter into the 70th week of Daniel. If you are one of those believers that thinks the church replaced Israel as God’s people, you need to read Romans 11! Replacement theology is wrong! The 70th Week of Daniel is all about Israel getting rid of their spiritual blindness, and finally recognizing Jesus Christ as their Messiah. They will then enter into the Millenial reign of Christ, which is the Day of Rest(7th Millenium of human history). Israel is the focus of the tribulation period, and the Beast will try to destroy them during that time. When he commits the Abomination of Desolation halfway through the 70th Week of Daniel, the Jews will then flee to the mountains to hide from him during the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period. These are the true facts about the tribulation period from the Bible!

By: Ramon Humphrey

Ramon Humphrey — Fri, 08 Jul 2011 10:39:30 +0000

Tim, I have just finished the study and I have to say it has opened my eyes to the ignorance I have been living. I too was a hearer but not a reader of Gods word, a parrot so to speak. But since I’ve actually taken time to read the bible the truth is starting to pop out on me and with the help of the Holy Spirit, he has been helping me understand more and more every day, and now with what I have read the puzzles are starting to become a picture. Thank you so much for your work in the body of our Lord’s Lord. But I respectfully have to disagree with brother Vakeros due to the fact the bride will be only One church, there are not two brides, Israel or gentile, remember they are the trunk, we are the branch, and in reference to the 144,000 and pre-tribbs from what I gathered it will not be Gods way of revealing himself to the 144,000 “Billy Grahams” to preach to the unbelievers after the GT. Can you fathom people being saved after the coming of the Lord. I too believed that there was going to be a second chance after the rapture by paying with “My Blood”. It is so resounding to me now that ” Gods people are destroyed by the lack of knowledge”
about his Word.! God bless you all for trying to reach the truth and to Tim for preaching it.

By: Vakeros

Vakeros — Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:06:37 +0000

Hi Tim,
I find I have to agree with CustodianMan on one point at least. The 144,000 are ALL the people of Israel (jews and joes if you like). We know the Jews, but we don’t know the Joes – but we do know (taking God’s Word literally where possible and makes sense to do so) that these are the people who are called to witness, in a special way. I might be a Joe, but I doubt it. I also doubt I can be one of the 144k as I am no longer a virgin and this is one of the requirements Rev 14 v 4.
Also the woman is most definitely referring to Israel. I believe, though can’t back it up at the moment that those who flee to a place prepared for them are those of Israel who say “Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord.” When the Jews recognize Jesus as Lord – isn’t this a great sign to look for, and the Lord will protect those who call on His Name.
If the 5th trumpet were for Satan then the locusts released from the Abyss would attack believers, but they don’t, they attack the unbeliever.
Unfortunately, you have managed to get your timings confused as Rev 16 v 15 testifies. These are words spoken to the church on earth. This isn’t for the unrepentant. These are words for all the virgins – the wise and the foolish. The seventh Trumpet is not the last Trumpet. The last trumpet I believe is a War Trumpet, a trumpet for setting out and of return. Rev 19 v 11. When Jesus returns he comes to make war. His own will rise to meet Him and so not be in the last battle (except potentially as spectators.) But this is the time when Jesus returns. Otherwise you make the same mistake pre-tribbers do and have Jesus come twice.
The wrath is also clearly targeted at those who worship the beast Rev 14 v 9 – 13.
Finally what does the phrase mean that God’s wrath is completed. At first it seems a nonsense, because the Bible tells us elsewhere that God’s wrath leads to the lake of burning sulfur. Roman’s 5 v 9 teaches us that we are saved from God’s wrath through Jesus. There are other instances of God’s wrath being completed throughout the Old Testament.
So God’s wrath can refer to different things at different times. There is the eternal wrath which leads to hell and the localized (in time) wrath which is referring in this case to an end times wrath reserved for those who accept the mark etc. Again note that Rev 16 v 2 “ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast…” This suggests that there were people who didn’t have the mark of the beast and who didn’t suffer these sores. Just like the 5th trumpet event, only those who had received the mark were tormented.
The Great Tribulation is great, because both God’s wrath and Satan’s wrath is poured out. It will be a time of decision, no longer will you be able to sit on the fence. Remember this too – God wants no-one to perish, but for them to be saved through His Son. I believe that this is possible until the moment that Jesus returns – from that moment it will be too late.

By: Tim McHyde

Tim McHyde — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:35:51 +0000

Bride means the Bride of Christ. This is not exactly the church. The church is only the “called out ones” (Greek: ekklesia) and it includes the Laodiceans who are lukewarm and not completely righteous. The Bride is the righteous who are called, chosen and faithful (Rev 17:14). Thus it is a subset of the church.

By: tini

tini — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 10:30:42 +0000

hi Tim,
when you say “bride”, are you meaning the church?
Who you believe is the bride of chris?

Tini

By: Tim McHyde

Tim McHyde — Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:46:37 +0000

Donald, as a matter of fact my next book is going to comment on pastors and tithes right up front. In the meantime you will find this helpful on church issues you refer to: http://www.askelm.com/tithing/ and http://thegodjourney.com/2006/03/24/meet-jake-colsen/