Comments on: New article: One Reliable Sign of the End http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/ Revolutionary Explanations for Bible Prophecy, Mysteries and Difficult Verses Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:23:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Tim McHyde http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11081 Tim McHyde Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:38:30 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11081 It will do that and bless you beyond just saving time. On that link, try this by my friend Jason Vick: http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldnetdaily-will-rockefeller-build-3rd-temple-internet-abuzz-with-report-of-biblical-proportions/ It will do that and bless you beyond just saving time. On that link, try this by my friend Jason Vick: http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldnetdaily-will-rockefeller-build-3rd-temple-internet-abuzz-with-report-of-biblical-proportions/

]]> By: Mornay http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11080 Mornay Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:09:50 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11080 I will have to do that soon for sure :-) Not getting much sleep these days trying to figure all this out. Perhaps then Ezra is a foreshadowing of a future pattern where the sacrifices start first and then the rebuilding of the temple. In that regard it makes this following link quite interesting: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0581861.htm I will have to do that soon for sure :-) Not getting much sleep these days trying to figure all this out. Perhaps then Ezra is a foreshadowing of a future pattern where the sacrifices start first and then the rebuilding of the temple. In that regard it makes this following link quite interesting: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0581861.htm

]]> By: Tim McHyde http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11079 Tim McHyde Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:43:51 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11079 Mornay, that's an interesting take I have not heard before. However, you would not need a measuring reed for a blueprint. Blueprints have the units already written on them. Plus, it says to "count those who worship there". No, there is no mistaking that John sees a real end time Third Temple that has been taken over by the Beast. How long it is built before the Antichrist takes control, the Bible does not say. So while you are right you do not need a temple for sacrifices, only an altar, Revelation 11 and 2The 2:4 do require a temple. So without the Third Temple already built and a slew of other prerequisite events (not the least of which is Wormwood!) rest assured the Great Tribulation cannot legally come or our Bible is unreliable. If you want to see all these prerequisites, my book is available to save you the time of studying this out for years yourself as I had to =). Mornay, that’s an interesting take I have not heard before. However, you would not need a measuring reed for a blueprint. Blueprints have the units already written on them. Plus, it says to “count those who worship there”. No, there is no mistaking that John sees a real end time Third Temple that has been taken over by the Beast. How long it is built before the Antichrist takes control, the Bible does not say. So while you are right you do not need a temple for sacrifices, only an altar, Revelation 11 and 2The 2:4 do require a temple.

So without the Third Temple already built and a slew of other prerequisite events (not the least of which is Wormwood!) rest assured the Great Tribulation cannot legally come or our Bible is unreliable. If you want to see all these prerequisites, my book is available to save you the time of studying this out for years yourself as I had to =).

]]> By: Mornay http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11078 Mornay Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:28:58 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11078 Tim, here's a thought about the rebuilding of the temple. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my reading of Rev 11 I don't see the building of the temple, merely the measuring of it. This could refer to a blueprint so as to know exactly where the altar should go. To start the evening/ morning sacrifices you don't need a rebuilt temple, just an altar as we see in Ezra 3:1-6. There is actually now currently in Israel an altar that has been built according to the specifications in the Torah (unhewn stones, etc.) and it has been built in such a way that it can be moved to it's place on the temple mount right away if given access. Everything else is also ready for the sacrifices to begin when the time comes. I agree with your view about the 2nd advent not happening for at least the next few years, however it is possible that the tribulation may indeed start this year. Tim, here’s a thought about the rebuilding of the temple. Correct me if I’m wrong, but in my reading of Rev 11 I don’t see the building of the temple, merely the measuring of it. This could refer to a blueprint so as to know exactly where the altar should go. To start the evening/ morning sacrifices you don’t need a rebuilt temple, just an altar as we see in Ezra 3:1-6. There is actually now currently in Israel an altar that has been built according to the specifications in the Torah (unhewn stones, etc.) and it has been built in such a way that it can be moved to it’s place on the temple mount right away if given access. Everything else is also ready for the sacrifices to begin when the time comes. I agree with your view about the 2nd advent not happening for at least the next few years, however it is possible that the tribulation may indeed start this year.

]]> By: Tim McHyde http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11054 Tim McHyde Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:19:35 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11054 Will, my preterist friend, if the Second Coming and New Covenant are past/here (Jer 31:31), then I want my money back. Preterism is the Moon Landing Hoax Theory of Christianity. 'Nuff said. Will, my preterist friend, if the Second Coming and New Covenant are past/here (Jer 31:31), then I want my money back. Preterism is the Moon Landing Hoax Theory of Christianity. ‘Nuff said.

]]> By: Will http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11053 Will Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:21:01 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11053 The Babylon referred to in Revelation is Jerusalem. It is the place where the saints were killed. Verse 17:6 Then I saw that the woman was drunk on the blood of the saints and on the blood of the witnesses to Jesus...This ties in with what Jesus said about Jerusalem in Mat 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem The city who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. And it ties into verses (Mat 23: 29-36) Where Jesus addresses the scribes and Pharisees and accuses them of killing the prophets he sends to them and says all the righteous shed on earth will be charged to them and says all these things will be come on this generation. This is developed further in ch. 24 when his disciples ask him when is the end of the age Your coming. (Notice the conjunction "and" it ties these two events together. We see here Jesus' second coming was not a visible bodily coming but a Day of the Lord type coming of Judgment against Jerusalem. His second coming and the end of the age (Old Covenant age) was in 70 A.D. which brought the Roman Army to Jerusalem to destroy Jerusalem, dismantle the temple brick by brick, and close the Old Covenant Age and bring in the New Covenant fully. The Babylon referred to in Revelation is Jerusalem. It is the place where the saints were killed. Verse 17:6 Then I saw that the woman was drunk on the blood of the saints and on the blood of the witnesses to Jesus…This ties in with what Jesus said about Jerusalem in Mat 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem The city who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. And it ties into verses (Mat 23: 29-36) Where Jesus addresses the scribes and Pharisees and accuses them of killing the prophets he sends to them and says all the righteous shed on earth will be charged to them and says all these things will be come on this generation.

This is developed further in ch. 24 when his disciples ask him when is the end of the age Your coming. (Notice the conjunction “and” it ties these two events together.

We see here Jesus’ second coming was not a visible bodily coming but a Day of the Lord type coming of Judgment against Jerusalem. His second coming and the end of the age (Old Covenant age) was in 70 A.D. which brought the Roman Army to Jerusalem to destroy Jerusalem, dismantle the temple brick by brick, and close the Old Covenant Age and bring in the New Covenant fully.

]]> By: Tim McHyde http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11047 Tim McHyde Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:23:23 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11047 Will, I perceive you are a preterist. I'm glad you are learning the pitfalls of debate, too. I have learned that there is no point in arguing with someone who has a different (non-literal, non-careful) approach to reading the Bible than me. We'll never agree and might even use the same verses to prove our contradictory views! P.S. Do your homework on the word "near". The apostles mostly said that it was "near" or "soon"...subjective relative terms. They saw the possibility and had a useful sense of urgency from it but there is no problem if it did not happen with the terms used to couch their expectation. Will, I perceive you are a preterist. I’m glad you are learning the pitfalls of debate, too. I have learned that there is no point in arguing with someone who has a different (non-literal, non-careful) approach to reading the Bible than me. We’ll never agree and might even use the same verses to prove our contradictory views!

P.S. Do your homework on the word “near”. The apostles mostly said that it was “near” or “soon”…subjective relative terms. They saw the possibility and had a useful sense of urgency from it but there is no problem if it did not happen with the terms used to couch their expectation.

]]> By: Tim McHyde http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11042 Tim McHyde Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:14:38 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11042 Connie, if you really serious about following the plain sense then you will need to change your opinion. See, you appear to have missed that Revelation 17-18 do not refer to "Babylon." It refers to MYSTERY, Babylon THE GREAT. Also Babylon the Great does not have a deep sea water port and merchants coming in ships to trade in goods that make them rich. Connie, if you really serious about following the plain sense then you will need to change your opinion. See, you appear to have missed that Revelation 17-18 do not refer to “Babylon.” It refers to MYSTERY, Babylon THE GREAT. Also Babylon the Great does not have a deep sea water port and merchants coming in ships to trade in goods that make them rich.

]]> By: Will http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11032 Will Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:40:30 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11032 First, I believe brother Tim means well and will be in heaven one day. That he is probably a fine person and Christian. Second, he is so far off the correct basis for prophecy in the bible he might as well be in another universe. Third, The apostles believed, taught, and wrote that it was their generation that would see the return of Christ so either they are right and Christ returned then or else they are wrong the bible is not inerrant. Once you establish it is not inerrant then all Christian doctrine unravels. Hence Preterism is the correct model of eschatology. If you believe the bible is inerrant in its original language as I do and Tim does then logically you can't escape this fact. Fourth, I'd be wiling to debate Tim on the subject on a neutral site where he can't edit out comments of mine if he doesn't want them seen. I've learned my lesson. Every time I debate it with someone and they soon start losing they edit out of my comments what they don't want anyone to see or delete them all together. Best wishes, Will First, I believe brother Tim means well and will be in heaven one day. That he is probably a fine person and Christian.

Second, he is so far off the correct basis for prophecy in the bible he might as well be in another universe.

Third, The apostles believed, taught, and wrote that it was their generation that would see the return of Christ so either they are right and Christ returned then or else they are wrong the bible is not inerrant. Once you establish it is not inerrant then all Christian doctrine unravels. Hence Preterism is the correct model of eschatology. If you believe the bible is inerrant in its original language as I do and Tim does then logically you can’t escape this fact.

Fourth, I’d be wiling to debate Tim on the subject on a neutral site where he can’t edit out comments of mine if he doesn’t want them seen. I’ve learned my lesson. Every time I debate it with someone and they soon start losing they edit out of my comments what they don’t want anyone to see or delete them all together.

Best wishes,

Will

]]> By: Connie Lacelle http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/comment-page-1/#comment-11029 Connie Lacelle Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:28:03 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/new-article-one-reliable-sign-of-the-end/#comment-11029 Although a lot of biblical scholars whom I highly respect think that the U.S.A. is Babylon, I do not agree. In keeping with the idea of interpreting Scripture according to the plain sense meaning as much as possible, I think Babylon means Babylon. It seems to me we are yet to see the ancient city of Babylon (or some child of it) be restored. It's probably in the works right now; in fact, I recall seeing photos a couple years ago (although I know those can be manufactured). I cannot soundly argue the matter, though, so I just watch and learn. Perhaps we shall ALL be surprised! Although a lot of biblical scholars whom I highly respect think that the U.S.A. is Babylon, I do not agree. In keeping with the idea of interpreting Scripture according to the plain sense meaning as much as possible, I think Babylon means Babylon. It seems to me we are yet to see the ancient city of Babylon (or some child of it) be restored. It’s probably in the works right now; in fact, I recall seeing photos a couple years ago (although I know those can be manufactured). I cannot soundly argue the matter, though, so I just watch and learn. Perhaps we shall ALL be surprised!

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