Comments on: “Pray that your flight not be…on the Sabbath day”? http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/ Revolutionary Explanations for Bible Prophecy, Mysteries and Difficult Verses Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:41:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Debbie http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11871 Debbie Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:32:51 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11871 Wait a minute in Genesis didn't our Father himself say that he ceased from His work on the seventh day and sanctified it, don't you think He would have shared that information with Adam. Besides in order for us to know what took place at Genesis wouldn't someone from the beginning have had to know these details and passed them down to the next generation. So, I think they would known about the Sabbath from the beginning. Again just my opinion. For me it is not that complying with the commandments brings salvation, that is only through Yeshua/Jesus. However Yeshua/Jesus taught If you love me you will keep my commandments. It is because I love Him and am so grateful that He loves me that it is not a burden but a blessing to honor His word. Genesis 2And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 82). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition. Tim, I am aware that you have alot more knowledge of scripture than I do, so if you disagree with me just keep in mind that although I may be 60yo I am but a babe in Messiah. Shalom Wait a minute in Genesis didn’t our Father himself say that he ceased from His work on the seventh day and sanctified it, don’t you think He would have shared that information with Adam.
Besides in order for us to know what took place at Genesis wouldn’t someone from the beginning have had to know these details and passed them down to the next generation.
So, I think they would known about the Sabbath from the beginning. Again just my opinion.
For me it is not that complying with the commandments brings salvation, that is only through Yeshua/Jesus. However Yeshua/Jesus taught If you love me you will keep my commandments. It is because I love Him and am so grateful that He loves me that it is not a burden but a blessing to honor His word.

Genesis 2And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 82). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

Tim, I am aware that you have alot more knowledge of scripture than I do, so if you disagree with me just keep in mind that although I may be 60yo I am but a babe in Messiah.

Shalom

]]> By: Sandra http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11853 Sandra Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:08:06 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11853 Tim is right about the Sabbath. Also, such as Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel), Joseph, and many others did not know anything about the Sabbath. The Sabbath is not mentioned for the first 2,500 years of history. We don't see anything about the Sabbath until after Exodus (Ex. 16:23) Tim is right about the Sabbath. Also, such as Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel), Joseph, and many others did not know anything about the Sabbath. The Sabbath is not mentioned for the first 2,500 years of history. We don’t see anything about the Sabbath until after Exodus (Ex. 16:23)

]]> By: Bete http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11829 Bete Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:17:25 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11829 I agree that God will judge my cave dwelling ancestors according to what He put in their heart (the right and wrong). Romans 2 puts it very well. However, this generation or previous generations who heard about Jesus Christ have no excuse not to know who God is and what He commanded. Specially this generation has everything under our finger tip to learn what God wants us do as His followers. There is no excuses in neglecting to worship God for who He really is - the maker of the heavens and the earth and everything in them. Any one who has heard about Jesus Christ has heard also He (Jesus) created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th day and made that day Holy. Those who pretend to love God by celebrating His 'birthday' have no excuses for neglecting His real Holy day. By the way God made the Sabbath Holy long before a Jew came to the picture. To know and admit that God is the creator of all things doesn't require one to be a Jew. When one admits that God alone created the universe, one will naturally find out which day He sanctified and made Holy as a sign of His creative power. All God reminded people (by way of the Jews, as it was them who were selected as a conduit to the real deal) about was that He wanted us to remember keep Holy that day He made Holy from the beginning (genesis 2:1-3). I agree that God will judge my cave dwelling ancestors according to what He put in their heart (the right and wrong). Romans 2 puts it very well.

However, this generation or previous generations who heard about Jesus Christ have no excuse not to know who God is and what He commanded. Specially this generation has everything under our finger tip to learn what God wants us do as His followers. There is no excuses in neglecting to worship God for who He really is – the maker of the heavens and the earth and everything in them. Any one who has heard about Jesus Christ has heard also He (Jesus) created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th day and made that day Holy. Those who pretend to love God by celebrating His ‘birthday’ have no excuses for neglecting His real Holy day.

By the way God made the Sabbath Holy long before a Jew came to the picture. To know and admit that God is the creator of all things doesn’t require one to be a Jew. When one admits that God alone created the universe, one will naturally find out which day He sanctified and made Holy as a sign of His creative power. All God reminded people (by way of the Jews, as it was them who were selected as a conduit to the real deal) about was that He wanted us to remember keep Holy that day He made Holy from the beginning (genesis 2:1-3).

]]> By: Tim McHyde http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11827 Tim McHyde Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:49:09 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11827 No you don't understand yet. I'm saying the only commandments God expects us to keep are the ones we can know without a Bible. Such as murder, theft, adultery, bearing false witness. Basically the only ones Jesus repeated to the rich young ruler as for eternal life. You seem to not have absorbed this point yet but If you want to say any OTHER commands are required for salvation, then you have to answer how could anyone without a Bible in history know and be saved? (And even with a Bible the problem is the commands you mention were given to Ancient Israel, not Modern Americans) No you don’t understand yet. I’m saying the only commandments God expects us to keep are the ones we can know without a Bible. Such as murder, theft, adultery, bearing false witness. Basically the only ones Jesus repeated to the rich young ruler as for eternal life. You seem to not have absorbed this point yet but If you want to say any OTHER commands are required for salvation, then you have to answer how could anyone without a Bible in history know and be saved? (And even with a Bible the problem is the commands you mention were given to Ancient Israel, not Modern Americans)

]]> By: Bete http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11825 Bete Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:22:13 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11825 Ok, now I understand where you are coming from. So you are under the impression that the remaining 9 commandments are universally understood and hence they are the only once that are expected to be kept? If that is the case, you will be surprised how many cultures consider many of those commandments alien to them. Or are you also advocating there is no commandments to keep at all? Ok, now I understand where you are coming from. So you are under the impression that the remaining 9 commandments are universally understood and hence they are the only once that are expected to be kept? If that is the case, you will be surprised how many cultures consider many of those commandments alien to them.

Or are you also advocating there is no commandments to keep at all?

]]> By: Tim McHyde http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11824 Tim McHyde Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:37:27 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11824 Bete, <strong>I'm not abolishing anything or teaching against doing anything</strong>. The ten commandments were given to Ancient Israel as part of the Torah and covenant he made with THEM. You can't hijack the audience of that book and make it universally applicable to all. That's all I'm saying. You mention Paul and Jesus. You seem to assume they did what they did out of universal commands. Did you know that Paul and Jesus were Jews growing up in a Jewish sabbath-keeping culture? That's why they kept Sabbath. Again, if Sabbath were a universal command, how would anyone know? And keep in mind that this universal command required death for breaking it. Why if there is a command is God no longer enforcing it OR sending prophets to warn people not to break it on penalty of death like before? Answer: It was given to Ancient Israel under the Old Covenant which they broke and ended. That's why a New Covenant must come to replace the one that is waxing old. If you wish to keep Sabbath, then go ahead. But please don't say people must do it or they don't know Jesus. That's inflammatory. Bete, I’m not abolishing anything or teaching against doing anything. The ten commandments were given to Ancient Israel as part of the Torah and covenant he made with THEM. You can’t hijack the audience of that book and make it universally applicable to all. That’s all I’m saying.

You mention Paul and Jesus. You seem to assume they did what they did out of universal commands. Did you know that Paul and Jesus were Jews growing up in a Jewish sabbath-keeping culture? That’s why they kept Sabbath.

Again, if Sabbath were a universal command, how would anyone know? And keep in mind that this universal command required death for breaking it. Why if there is a command is God no longer enforcing it OR sending prophets to warn people not to break it on penalty of death like before? Answer: It was given to Ancient Israel under the Old Covenant which they broke and ended. That’s why a New Covenant must come to replace the one that is waxing old.

If you wish to keep Sabbath, then go ahead. But please don’t say people must do it or they don’t know Jesus. That’s inflammatory.

]]> By: Bete http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11823 Bete Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:46:42 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11823 Tim, according to Christ's own words in Matthew 5:17-19 and many other places in the bible, teaching people to disobey God and ignore any one of His 10 commandments can cost one eternity. And many take that risk because they don't want to lose their 'social status' or 'academic standing' or in general, they want to gain the things of the world. Otherwise, what can be so more clear than God commanding anyone who claim to love Him to keep His commandments, all of them? When one try to 'abolish' the 4th commandment, they also break the 9th because they bear false witness against the Apostle Paul and God Himself, since they claim Paul and Christ wrote the Sabbath is no more to be kept Holy. Both Paul and Christ kept the Sabbath Holy and taught others to keep all the commandments of God, if anyone claims to abide in Jesus Christ the Righteous! Tim, according to Christ’s own words in Matthew 5:17-19 and many other places in the bible, teaching people to disobey God and ignore any one of His 10 commandments can cost one eternity. And many take that risk because they don’t want to lose their ‘social status’ or ‘academic standing’ or in general, they want to gain the things of the world. Otherwise, what can be so more clear than God commanding anyone who claim to love Him to keep His commandments, all of them?

When one try to ‘abolish’ the 4th commandment, they also break the 9th because they bear false witness against the Apostle Paul and God Himself, since they claim Paul and Christ wrote the Sabbath is no more to be kept Holy. Both Paul and Christ kept the Sabbath Holy and taught others to keep all the commandments of God, if anyone claims to abide in Jesus Christ the Righteous!

]]> By: Tim McHyde http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11801 Tim McHyde Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:09:06 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11801 John, That's easy. Just keep going from Mt 19:17 to the next two verses Mt 19:18-19. Those commandments are the only universal ones of God that all men could know and learn to keep <strong>without having a Torah or Bible.</strong> The Torah was not ever about salvation, but about national greatness. Those six existed before Torah and continue after, unlike the rest of the Torah, and unlike the rest of Torah, people will readily teach you them when they don't like it how you broke those commands! John, That’s easy. Just keep going from Mt 19:17 to the next two verses Mt 19:18-19. Those commandments are the only universal ones of God that all men could know and learn to keep without having a Torah or Bible. The Torah was not ever about salvation, but about national greatness. Those six existed before Torah and continue after, unlike the rest of the Torah, and unlike the rest of Torah, people will readily teach you them when they don’t like it how you broke those commands!

]]> By: John http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11800 John Sat, 24 Sep 2011 17:20:50 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11800 Hi Tim In Mathew 19, what commandments was Jesus referring to when He told the rich man to keep the commandments in order to obtain eternal life? Thanks Hi Tim

In Mathew 19, what commandments was Jesus referring to when He told the rich man to keep the commandments in order to obtain eternal life?

Thanks

]]> By: Tim McHyde http://timmchyde.com/pray-that-your-flight-not-be-on-the-sabbath-day/comment-page-1/#comment-11415 Tim McHyde Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:30:33 +0000 http://timmchyde.com/?p=243#comment-11415 Robert, First, please tone it down as there is no need to sensationalize each others statements. Second, if Sabbath is required for salvation as you say then how have people in history known which day was sabbath and that they were supposed to rest on it? God had to show Israel the day with the miracle of manna and through Moses, a prophet speaking his words, what to do on that day. We have no prophet over us today so people even believers naturally work on Saturday like other days with a clear conscience. I hope you can see that your doctrinal theory would condemn practically all of humanity in history to damnation. Even today, people who read the Bible see that the Torah (which introduced and contains the sabbath rest command) was only given to Ancient Israel and that in Acts 15 Gentile believers were specifically told not to worry about Torah. Why? This was directly in response to people teaching things like you are that the Torah was required for salvation (and Sabbath is part of Torah only). See http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/acts/decree1.htm for more on this passage. Robert,

First, please tone it down as there is no need to sensationalize each others statements. Second, if Sabbath is required for salvation as you say then how have people in history known which day was sabbath and that they were supposed to rest on it? God had to show Israel the day with the miracle of manna and through Moses, a prophet speaking his words, what to do on that day. We have no prophet over us today so people even believers naturally work on Saturday like other days with a clear conscience. I hope you can see that your doctrinal theory would condemn practically all of humanity in history to damnation. Even today, people who read the Bible see that the Torah (which introduced and contains the sabbath rest command) was only given to Ancient Israel and that in Acts 15 Gentile believers were specifically told not to worry about Torah. Why? This was directly in response to people teaching things like you are that the Torah was required for salvation (and Sabbath is part of Torah only). See http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/acts/decree1.htm for more on this passage.

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