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		<title>By: Mark of the Beast: Literal or Sunday Worship? &#183; Tim McHyde . com</title>
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		<title>By: Tim McHyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim McHyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeremiah, the vast majority of people in history have not heard or had the ten commandments. It was given to ancient Israel to follow, not to just anyone who happens to get a copy of what they were told, thousands of years later. For example, Sabbath is not required on anyone today. If it were, there would be an authority over them instructing them in it, warning them for violating it and later punishing them for disobedience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah, the vast majority of people in history have not heard or had the ten commandments. It was given to ancient Israel to follow, not to just anyone who happens to get a copy of what they were told, thousands of years later. For example, Sabbath is not required on anyone today. If it were, there would be an authority over them instructing them in it, warning them for violating it and later punishing them for disobedience.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremiah akuoko</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HI TIM I DOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT YOUR COMMENT OF THE LAW BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE EXD 20:1 TELL AS THE GOD LAW AND HE DIVED INTO TWO PART FIST FOUR IS GOD LOVE AND LAST SIX IS LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOUR SELF SO I THINK WITHOUT THIS LAW NO LIFE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI TIM I DOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT YOUR COMMENT OF THE LAW BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE EXD 20:1 TELL AS THE GOD LAW AND HE DIVED INTO TWO PART FIST FOUR IS GOD LOVE AND LAST SIX IS LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOUR SELF SO I THINK WITHOUT THIS LAW NO LIFE.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McHyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim McHyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gregg, Acts 15:21 is certainly not saying what you think it is as that would contradict everything else said before that about the Torah being a yoke, to not burden the Gentiles with, do these 4 other things and you&#039;re to do well, etc. The point of that verse is to explain &lt;strong&gt;why&lt;/strong&gt; they had to say everything before that to refute the Jews telling people to keep Torah/Moses/Circumcision...&quot;for&quot;/&lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; Moses was taught in all cities...causing questions and confusion just like these Jews&#039; divisive claims were.

Bear in mind, regardless of what resources you have today, few people in history have been able to read, let alone &lt;em&gt;understand&lt;/em&gt;, or &lt;em&gt;keep&lt;/em&gt; Torah. Therefore it &lt;strong&gt;cannot&lt;/strong&gt; be required for salvation or any other reason on men apart from the nation of ancient Israel (and for them it was only having to do with staying as God&#039;s nation in the land of Canaan). HTH]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregg, Acts 15:21 is certainly not saying what you think it is as that would contradict everything else said before that about the Torah being a yoke, to not burden the Gentiles with, do these 4 other things and you&#8217;re to do well, etc. The point of that verse is to explain <strong>why</strong> they had to say everything before that to refute the Jews telling people to keep Torah/Moses/Circumcision&#8230;&#8221;for&#8221;/<em>because</em> Moses was taught in all cities&#8230;causing questions and confusion just like these Jews&#8217; divisive claims were.</p>
<p>Bear in mind, regardless of what resources you have today, few people in history have been able to read, let alone <em>understand</em>, or <em>keep</em> Torah. Therefore it <strong>cannot</strong> be required for salvation or any other reason on men apart from the nation of ancient Israel (and for them it was only having to do with staying as God&#8217;s nation in the land of Canaan). HTH</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
		<link>http://timmchyde.com/seal-of-the-144000/comment-page-1/#comment-12030</link>
		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, its OK.  

On understanding Torah,
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 15:21.

Like even today I can go to el shaddai ministries.US and get a messianic torah message from each sabbath.  Also, the Hebrew lessons from Monday Nights are outstanding.  Also, the guest speakers are great.

In my local town there are messianic congregations as well as Jewish congregations.  Enough resources are around, that we are without excuse.

So Tim, If we are to repent, what are we to repent from?  Breaking Torah?

And how do we understand it?


James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

- 1769 Oxford King James Bible &#039;Authorized Version

We are supposed to take up our cross daily.

G]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, its OK.  </p>
<p>On understanding Torah,<br />
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 15:21.</p>
<p>Like even today I can go to el shaddai ministries.US and get a messianic torah message from each sabbath.  Also, the Hebrew lessons from Monday Nights are outstanding.  Also, the guest speakers are great.</p>
<p>In my local town there are messianic congregations as well as Jewish congregations.  Enough resources are around, that we are without excuse.</p>
<p>So Tim, If we are to repent, what are we to repent from?  Breaking Torah?</p>
<p>And how do we understand it?</p>
<p>James 1:5<br />
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.</p>
<p>- 1769 Oxford King James Bible &#8216;Authorized Version</p>
<p>We are supposed to take up our cross daily.</p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McHyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim McHyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure &quot;the commandments&quot; are still required today. But there is much confusion among people as to what they are. Some think the whole Torah. Others just the Ten Commandments. But the set Jesus referred to was not either and frankly could not be anything exclusive to the Law of Moses like that which only Ancient Israel understood and could do. It had to be exactly the commands Jesus listed when the rich young ruler asked him how to have eternal life (no mention of sabbath; which is not a moral issue). 

Do you understand what it takes in God&#039;s eyes to become accountable to a command to the point of punishment like Israel had? Just being written in a dusty old book is not enough. That&#039;s where we&#039;re at today with the Torah. It&#039;s only written down and not taught or even possible to keep, let alone understand without the prophets, priests, Levites, judges, etc. that went along with it the first time. Enough said on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure &#8220;the commandments&#8221; are still required today. But there is much confusion among people as to what they are. Some think the whole Torah. Others just the Ten Commandments. But the set Jesus referred to was not either and frankly could not be anything exclusive to the Law of Moses like that which only Ancient Israel understood and could do. It had to be exactly the commands Jesus listed when the rich young ruler asked him how to have eternal life (no mention of sabbath; which is not a moral issue). </p>
<p>Do you understand what it takes in God&#8217;s eyes to become accountable to a command to the point of punishment like Israel had? Just being written in a dusty old book is not enough. That&#8217;s where we&#8217;re at today with the Torah. It&#8217;s only written down and not taught or even possible to keep, let alone understand without the prophets, priests, Levites, judges, etc. that went along with it the first time. Enough said on this.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://timmchyde.com/seal-of-the-144000/comment-page-1/#comment-11947</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tim,

What about where Yehoshua says &quot;if you love me keep the commandments.&quot;

Also there is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Yehoshua addressed also the spirit of the law for He said that even if we look upon a woman to lust after her in that way we have already committed adultery in our heart and have broken the law whereas in past times it was considered a breaking of the law only if the act of adultery was actually committed. So to even look upon a woman to lust after her is a breaking of the commandment and thus one who looks upon a woman to lust after her has broken the whole law including the Sabbath day. 

You know the principle - break a single commandment and all the commandments are broken. 

Are the commandments still in effect today? Yes - Remember Ananias and Sophira who held back some of the price of the land that they sold. They sinned and dropped dead. bill]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>What about where Yehoshua says &#8220;if you love me keep the commandments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also there is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Yehoshua addressed also the spirit of the law for He said that even if we look upon a woman to lust after her in that way we have already committed adultery in our heart and have broken the law whereas in past times it was considered a breaking of the law only if the act of adultery was actually committed. So to even look upon a woman to lust after her is a breaking of the commandment and thus one who looks upon a woman to lust after her has broken the whole law including the Sabbath day. </p>
<p>You know the principle &#8211; break a single commandment and all the commandments are broken. </p>
<p>Are the commandments still in effect today? Yes &#8211; Remember Ananias and Sophira who held back some of the price of the land that they sold. They sinned and dropped dead. bill</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McHyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim McHyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not accurate that the four things came from Torah. See http://www.gci.org/acts/decree2 

But even if they did the clear message of several explicit statements in Acts 15 is that Torah/Moses Law/Circumcision were not to be kept by Gentiles for ANY reason, even if the original reason presented was &quot;to be saved.&quot; James plainly said Torah was a yoke that the ancestors failed at and would be a burden on the Gentiles, too. http://www.gci.org/acts/decree1

If we do not have to keep Torah for salvation then the only other reason would be if we are in a nation God told to keep it so they are set apart/holy (Ex 19:6). Ancient Israel was told exactly this and had stonings and finally exile for not obeying. This will return in Millennium but it is not so today. There is no penalty, no incentive and no instruction on keeping Torah today. The bottom line is that no one can keep it today with no altar, judges, priests, Levites, temple, sacrifices, etc.. This matters because it has been an all or nothing proposition. 

In the Millennium they&#039;ll get no rain just for not keeping Tabernacles. Obviously that is not the case today so again, there is no reason to say anyone &quot;should&quot; keep it. Acts 15 is very very clear on the &lt;strong&gt;heresy&lt;/strong&gt; of saying that. If you want to learn it and practice what you can of it, that&#039;s fine and there is benefit to that, no doubt. But I would never say anymore that &quot;we should learn it and live it out as much as possible.&quot; Acts 15 categorically disagrees with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not accurate that the four things came from Torah. See <a href="http://www.gci.org/acts/decree2" rel="nofollow">http://www.gci.org/acts/decree2</a> </p>
<p>But even if they did the clear message of several explicit statements in Acts 15 is that Torah/Moses Law/Circumcision were not to be kept by Gentiles for ANY reason, even if the original reason presented was &#8220;to be saved.&#8221; James plainly said Torah was a yoke that the ancestors failed at and would be a burden on the Gentiles, too. <a href="http://www.gci.org/acts/decree1" rel="nofollow">http://www.gci.org/acts/decree1</a></p>
<p>If we do not have to keep Torah for salvation then the only other reason would be if we are in a nation God told to keep it so they are set apart/holy (Ex 19:6). Ancient Israel was told exactly this and had stonings and finally exile for not obeying. This will return in Millennium but it is not so today. There is no penalty, no incentive and no instruction on keeping Torah today. The bottom line is that no one can keep it today with no altar, judges, priests, Levites, temple, sacrifices, etc.. This matters because it has been an all or nothing proposition. </p>
<p>In the Millennium they&#8217;ll get no rain just for not keeping Tabernacles. Obviously that is not the case today so again, there is no reason to say anyone &#8220;should&#8221; keep it. Acts 15 is very very clear on the <strong>heresy</strong> of saying that. If you want to learn it and practice what you can of it, that&#8217;s fine and there is benefit to that, no doubt. But I would never say anymore that &#8220;we should learn it and live it out as much as possible.&#8221; Acts 15 categorically disagrees with that.</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
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		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim,
If you look closely, the three things that Peter asked of Gentile believers were as follows:

Acts 15:
 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

 21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. 

This corresponds to the following chapters in Leviticus: 

pollutions of idols: Leviticus 18 proper worship:

from fornication: Leviticus 18:
from things strangled, Leviticus 19:26

and from blood: Levitcus 17:

Then they talk about the law of moses being read every day in the synagogues.

The Point I would like to make is this.
Our salvation does not depend on keeping the law because that is impossible.  The Mathew 5 reference makes a distinction between greatest and least in the kingdom of heaven.  Jesus Christ is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.  The rest of us including the apostles have failed in some way. Christ talked about taking the least spot at the marriage supper and maybe we would be asked to take a better seat. We should not think to highly of ourselves and try to take a better seat and then get embarrassed by being asked to move.  We definitely do not want to be one who has no clothes.  We a clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ through faith.  And if we have faith then works will follow according to James.  

The torah is the way we live out loving God and Loving others.  Though some things do not apply any more. Christ was the perfect sacrifice for Sin. That sacrifice is no longer needed...ever. In the millenium, there will be sacrifices.( I believe peace offerings.) 
The feast of tabernacles will be celebrated each year.  As far as I know the other festivals that required representation in Jerusalem are not needed.  I wont know for sure until the millenium gets here.

The law is relevant even today.  We should learn it and live it out as much as possible, but our salvation does not depend on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
If you look closely, the three things that Peter asked of Gentile believers were as follows:</p>
<p>Acts 15:<br />
 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:</p>
<p> 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.</p>
<p> 21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. </p>
<p>This corresponds to the following chapters in Leviticus: </p>
<p>pollutions of idols: Leviticus 18 proper worship:</p>
<p>from fornication: Leviticus 18:<br />
from things strangled, Leviticus 19:26</p>
<p>and from blood: Levitcus 17:</p>
<p>Then they talk about the law of moses being read every day in the synagogues.</p>
<p>The Point I would like to make is this.<br />
Our salvation does not depend on keeping the law because that is impossible.  The Mathew 5 reference makes a distinction between greatest and least in the kingdom of heaven.  Jesus Christ is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.  The rest of us including the apostles have failed in some way. Christ talked about taking the least spot at the marriage supper and maybe we would be asked to take a better seat. We should not think to highly of ourselves and try to take a better seat and then get embarrassed by being asked to move.  We definitely do not want to be one who has no clothes.  We a clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ through faith.  And if we have faith then works will follow according to James.  </p>
<p>The torah is the way we live out loving God and Loving others.  Though some things do not apply any more. Christ was the perfect sacrifice for Sin. That sacrifice is no longer needed&#8230;ever. In the millenium, there will be sacrifices.( I believe peace offerings.)<br />
The feast of tabernacles will be celebrated each year.  As far as I know the other festivals that required representation in Jerusalem are not needed.  I wont know for sure until the millenium gets here.</p>
<p>The law is relevant even today.  We should learn it and live it out as much as possible, but our salvation does not depend on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McHyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim McHyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jesus and the apostles kept all those things not because they were required or to show us to, but because they were all Jews living in a culture that mixed Biblical festivals with other traditions. For example, you also see Jesus at the temple during the Feast of Dedication  (Chanukah) but you would not say that&#039;s required. The question is what did they teach Jews and Gentiles, not what did they do. Acts 15 tells us that when Jewish believers came and said Mose&#039;s Torah including circumcision was required, the apostles disagreed and said Gentiles only need to do a few things that was it to &quot;do well.&quot; See http://www.gci.org/acts/decree1 http://www.gci.org/acts/decree2 If you teach otherwise, then you are putting a yoke on people that they cannot bear (Torah keeping which the fathers of Israel failed at), just as James said about the Judaizers he confronted (Acts 15:10)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus and the apostles kept all those things not because they were required or to show us to, but because they were all Jews living in a culture that mixed Biblical festivals with other traditions. For example, you also see Jesus at the temple during the Feast of Dedication  (Chanukah) but you would not say that&#8217;s required. The question is what did they teach Jews and Gentiles, not what did they do. Acts 15 tells us that when Jewish believers came and said Mose&#8217;s Torah including circumcision was required, the apostles disagreed and said Gentiles only need to do a few things that was it to &#8220;do well.&#8221; See <a href="http://www.gci.org/acts/decree1" rel="nofollow">http://www.gci.org/acts/decree1</a> <a href="http://www.gci.org/acts/decree2" rel="nofollow">http://www.gci.org/acts/decree2</a> If you teach otherwise, then you are putting a yoke on people that they cannot bear (Torah keeping which the fathers of Israel failed at), just as James said about the Judaizers he confronted (Acts 15:10)</p>
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