What Time Period Is Ezekiel 40-48?
Here’s an interesting question a friend asked on Ezekiel 40-48:
Knowing you have studied most Bible prophesy, to which time period(s) do you attribute these 9 chapters? Who is the prince mentioned? Note HIS sin sacrifice 45:22 and after. Also “his sons” 46:16 (If you want to do it as a Facebook blog I can read it there. Thanks Bro)
It is well known that Ezekiel 40-48 are prophecies of the Millennium (and beyond). The temple referred to there is therefore called the Millennial Temple, not to be confused with the next temple, the Third Temple. Ezekiel 40-46 describes the Millennial Temple, the priesthood and sacrifices there. To most Christians it’s shocking that sacrifices are coming back until they understand the purpose of the sacrifices.
Who is “The Prince?” at the Millennial Temple?
Also strange is how there are several mentions of “the prince” in these chapters. You would think these verses refer to Jesus at the temple:
Ezekiel 44:3 — It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.
Ezekiel 45:22 — And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 46:16 — Thus saith the Lord GOD; If the prince give a gift unto any of his sons, the inheritance thereof shall be his sons’; it shall be their possession by inheritance.
However as noted in the question above, there are clear problems with this. For example, Jesus has no sons and is sinless needing no sacrifice. The New American Commentary agrees:
Equally intriguing is the “prince” who may sit inside the gate to “eat in the presence of the Lord,” probably meaning to eat a communal meal. Not even the prince used the entrance of the gate. When he entered it, he entered by the porch (v. 3).
Because of the messianic associations with the eastern gate, some have identified the “prince” as the Messiah, since 37:25 says, “David my servant will be their prince forever.” In spite of this reference, two important details suggest that the “prince” of 44:3 is not the Messiah. First, the prince is not a priest but has priests who minister for him. The Messiah is portrayed in Old Testament prophecy as the coming Priest-King (Zech 6:13). The offices of priest and king are always kept separate because the Messiah is to be the only one in whom these two offices are combined (2 Chr 26:16-21). Second, the prince is required to offer a sin offering for himself (Ezek 45:22) every day for seven days during feasts (45:23). By contrast, the Messiah was the sinless sacrifice for all people and a perfect High Priest (Heb 9:22-28).
If the prince is not the Messiah, then who is he? Some have identified the prince as David resurrected and serving in the temple during the millennium. More likely the prince is a special representative of the Messiah who will serve as an administrator of the temple, temple area, and sacred district. Such a conclusion is suggested by Levenson, who sees the prince as an apolitical messianic leader or a David-like administrator.
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Update: Someone asked if the fact that “the prince” has to atone for his sins means he’s not a glorified saint but a physical man. I think that’s right. He’s not Jesus, David or any glorified saint. (Plus not only will David be glorified, but he will be king over Israel and Judah, not a prince.)
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Interesting take on this topic. Please send me more insights on this issue. I’d like to hear your input.
There is one “prince” mentioned who comes before Messiah.
The Messiah is Messiah ben David who fulfills the symbolic prophecy of “Joshua” in the books of Haggai and Zechariah. The name “Jesus” is Greek but translated to English is “Joshua”. He is the Son who sits in heaven as a High Priest at the right hand of the Father waiting for restoration. He had to come “first” to remove iniquity. Read Acts 3:26.
Now second comes messiah ben Joseph (or Ephraim) who fulfills the symbolic prophecy of “Zerubbabel” in the books of Haggai and Zechariah. He is the messenger who prepares the way for THE Messiah and delivers the children of Israel. He is the angel Michael sent by the Lord to be born as a male child in end-time Babylon for the name Zerubbabel means “seed of Babylon” referring to a child conceived and born in Babylon. He must “restore all things” and will be given great authority to accomplish it for he is one of the two olive trees / witnesses.
Many do not ask how does Michael the prince fulfill what is prophesied of him in Daniel 12. If the Son of God can be manifested in the flesh, then why can’t an angel which is lower be manifested in the flesh if the Lord wills? Read Revelation 22:16.
Jesus obviously doesn’t need to make sacrifices for sin. Glorified saints, Old Testament or New, will not need to make sacrifices for sin. IMHO, the prince, whoever he is, will have a physical body and be from the line of David in fulfillment of God’s promises to David that he will always have a descendant on the throne.
Agreed.
“Dan will provide justice for his people as one of the tribes of Israel”
Dan is not listed as a tribe in revelation…
Haven’t you read the “parable of the prodigal son”?
I am he,the Prodigal Son of God, God shall bear witness of that with me.
Please explain your point on that.
The Male Child born of the women in the wilderness which the dragon is seeking to devour is the Prince in the Millennial Kingdom
I think John has the closest take on it. Except it’s Cherub/Candlestick/Wild OliveTree/Prophetess/Priestess/Joshua/Michael/Elijah/Female Witness and Cherub/Candlestick/OliveTree/Zerubabbel/Prince David of Ezekiel/Moses /Male Witness…G-d is amazing!
Wait…whered you get the famake witness/prophetess/priestess? I had a dream about one of the 2 witnesses being a female and the other a male…please, pleasec expound
The Prince sounds like the principal character. If Christ will rule the nations with a rod of iron… how is He going to do this? He must be the ruler during the millennial. A physical person of some sort? Will He need to be priest during this time? Who shall declare His generation? Does Christ take on a physical millennial body during this time and complete His “cut off” life span? The fact that the prince offers sacrifices for himself and separates himself from the priesthood, is this to show how this political appointment should be handled in relation to God in all aspects of its authority to teach mankind during this time how it was meant to be? The fact that the man… Christ Jesus, returns… can he then have offspring as a man??
The princes of ezek 45 17 are angel judges the prince cant be the messiah as he is the one on the throne
Ezek 45:8 says the princes are the tribal leaders..
Jesus is so holy that man will insist that will go stag to every event for all eternity?
so if it is not ok for first Adam to be alone , then why it is ok for second Adam to be alone?
the great Gift God gave man was EVE , to loved and chosen .. and to think his people out such love for Our son of man .. would deny him the right to a help mate ?
Did anyone ever think that just maybe the son of David might want maybe one wife ? Maybe that is even one reason he died maybe there was someone in Sheol that he liked maybe he even loved her. that is such a mystery of a man dying for a woman he loved. so you all want to say that Second Adam can’t have a second EVE.. that man chose to die to give you life and to bring all men and women..to where he isand what he is .. the Son of David a man by the way, was too holy to love just one woman? he is a man guys ? maybe he was always capable of sin but chose to not sin for our sakes.. to bring back our glory.
and God gave man the greatest gift to be chosen and loved by a help mate to have children that cherish him. but man that claims ot Love our redeemer will deny God’s right arm and our redeemer that same love ? that greatest gift he gave man … to have love and a family.. the son of David the older Brother of Solomon is too holy for love? or just that kind of love ? He has to Go stag forever and always, and dance alone with his crowns if he bothers to show up at all.
I mean his brother Solomon had thousands and his dad had nearly a thousand wives .
but because King David’s son , raised by God himself to be our savior . His people love him so very much we will make our King sit with his crown on a throne and dance alone for all time.. yep that sounds like a plan. we can call him King Pope Nope You Can’t .
Jesus was sinless, and still is. It cant be Him.
What if it’s satan..I think it’s Joseph Genesis remember the dream he had
I dont know..bc God is telling Ezek how the offerings should be done..i dont think he would do that for a kingdom set up for Satan
The church is the bride of Christ.
Jesus is not going stag..the church is His bride
The prince here also offers scarifices for his sins Jesus was the altimate sacrifice this hast to be another king priest that comes in the order of Christ just as Christ came in the order of Melchizedek. Neither Christ’s or Melchizedeks priesthood ends. At the end of an age there is a change in the priesthood and that priest must offer his own sacrifices according to the Bible. Don’t get me wrong Jesus Christ’s priesthood is neverending. But this also explains why they start sacrificing in the mellinial temple. The Male Child or Man Child spoke of in the Bible is not Christ it is the prince in Ezekiel 44-46 and other place talking about the 1,000 year kingdom. When the Bible talks about the woman taken to the wilderness this is the true church not marry like most people think, from among her A Male Child/King Priest will come to rule in the mellinial kingdom, once again Jesus is still over this Male Child, because Christ is at the right hand of the father.
Who is the Prince?
Ok lets see this logically…
YESHUA kept the ENTIRE law and was sinless. He kept the Passover with his disciples, as we all know, in the New Testament. The Prince is instructed by God to keep the Passover, and he eats bread made with leaven (Ezekiel 45:21). But Jesus kept the Passover… why would God need to remind him to keep the Torah? On top of that, the prince is instructed not to oppress the people by taking their land (Ezekiel 46:18). Does Jesus have an oppressive nature that God must warn against? I’m sincerely confused about this one. Some might argue that Jesus has spiritual sons, and other deep scholars who have read the Nag Hammadi might argue that He will come back and have children. (Whether the Nag Hammadi is inspired or not is another topic, but I believe every responsible researcher of truth should read ALL texts for themselves before judging. You wouldn’t like a judge in a courtroom who didn’t examine all the evidence before making a decision, would you? Likewise, we as the children of God should be constant truth seekers and we shouldn’t pass judgment on anything without weighing the evidence for ourselves. I wonder if this prince is the same one spoken of in the Nag H. book titled: The Teachings of Silvanus. In there it talks about the exalted one which translates over to NASI in Hebrew, the same word used in Ezekiel for the prince! It mentions that one of the reasons that Jesus died was to humble him. I wonder if we’re just over thinking this and it is simply Yeshua… But it is better to question than to blindly follow the herd, which is why I think highly of anyone here who has left a comment. You guys are all amazing thinkers and I’m glad you all exist in an era full of Christians who never question anything. Some Christians have never even read through their entire Bibles once. You guys are simply amazing…
Let’s stick to the inspired word of God now. In order to further dissect this matter, I’ll stick to the Bible from now on, because we can all agree that is inspired. I’ll be using the jps tanakh along with the KJV and YLT translations as they are the purest in my opinion. We will be using Reflective Justification to prove that scripture matches with scripture and verse with verse. (Reflective Justification- when one verse justifies, unveils, and clarifies the meaning of another verse in scripture.)
Micah 5:2 (JPS)
“But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, Which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, Out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; Whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days.”
So as we can see, Yeshua is called the Ancient of Days by the text in Micah 5:2. Next let’s examine another verse.
John 5:22 (KJV)
“But the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.”
So as we can see the Father judges no one at all. Yeshua is the one on the judgment seat. Let’s take a look at the physical description of the risen Yeshua in the Bible now.
Revelation 1:14 (KJV)
“His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;”
Now let’s take a look at the physical description of the Ancient of Days in Daniel.
Daniel 7:9-10 (JPS)
“I beheld Till thrones were placed, And one that was ancient of days did sit: His raiment was as white snow, And the hair of his head like pure wool; His throne was fiery flames, and the wheels thereof burning fire. A fiery stream issued And came forth from before him; thousand thousands ministered unto him, And ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; The judgement was set, And the books were open.”
Doesn’t sound like the great white throne judgement to me since his throne has fiery flames which is orange, not white. And remember that the father judges no one but commits all judgement to the son. Let’s now look at the only clear description of God the Father in the New Testament. (I won’t go into the old testament for the sake of brevity.)
Revelation 4:3 (KJV)
“And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald”
The sardine stone is red in color and jasper gives off the same quality. Later in revelation it speaks of Jesus taking the scroll from the Father, but remember still that the Father judges no one. The description of the Father doesn’t match the description of the Ancient of Days. But the description of the risen Jesus matches it perfectly!
Revelation 5:5-6 (KJV)
“And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”
Now lets examine a promise of Jesus in revelation…
Revelation 3:21 (KJV)
“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father on his throne.”
As we can see the word used here is SINGULAR, not plural… Now lets go back to Daniel.
Daniel 7:13 (JPS)
“I saw in the night visions, And, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven One like unto a song of man, And he came even to the ancient of days, And he was brought near before Him. And there was given him dominion, And glory, and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and languages Should serve him; His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away and his Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
It doesn’t say that this person is worshipped, but that he is given servants and the ability to rule as the promise of Yeshua in Revealtion 3:21 stated! But lets go further to prove this point.
Ezekiel 46:16-18 (JPS)
‘Thus saith the Lord God: If the prince give a gift unto any of his sons, it is his inheritance, it shall belong to his sons; it is their possession by inheritance. But if he give of his inheritance a gift to one of his servants, it shall be his to the year of liberty; then it shall return to the prince; but as for his inheritance, it shall be for his sons. Moreover the prince shall not take of the people’s inheritance, to thrust them wrongfully out of their possession; he shall give inheritance to his sons out of his own possession; that My people be not scattered every man from his possession.’
As we can see here the prince has servants and it needs to be warned not to do something wrong. That doesn’t apply to Yeshua, he is completely sinless and would never cause someone undue harm, God wouldn’t need to warn him against evil. Yet this prince has servants. Let’s continue further down this rabbit hole….
1st Corinthians 2:7 (YLT)
“which no one of the rulers of this age did know, for if they had known, the Lord of glory they would not have crucified.;”
Why would the devil crucify Christ if it would destroy his works but to further clarify that this isn’t speaking of human rulers lets continue with reflective justification of scripture. The rulers didn’t know that they were helping to save man-kind by killing Christ.
Ephesians 6:12 (YLT)
“because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;”
This proves that Jesus caught Satan and the world rulers of darkness in heavenly places off guard. But the prince who was prophesied of in Ezekiel and Daniel was what they were expecting, instead they Crucified Christ because they didn’t understand the scripture. As the scripture says in Corinthians, they wouldn’t have killed Christ if they knew what they were doing. They were tricked because they were expecting the prince, not the King!”
The Hebrew word for King is Melech but the word for prince isn’t! The Word for Prince is Nagid/Nasi! Let us continue going further down this rabbit hole that leads to the prince.”
Daniel 8:25 (JPS)
“And through his cunning he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand’ and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and in time of security shall he destroy many; he shall also stand up against the prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. And the vision of the evenings and mornings which hath been told is true; but thou, shut thou up the vision; for it belongeth to many days to come.”
Revelation 17: 4 KJV
“These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
HMMMMM…. Yeshua is called King of Kings, lets continue to examine this further and he will overcome the armies of the beast… Now lets go back to the old testament….
Daniel 11:22 JPS
“And the arms of the flood shall be swept away from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.”
This verse is speaking about the anti-christ and not Antiochus because the verse next chapter is the final one in daniel and Daniel is told that it concerns the time of the end! The prince fails against an army of oncoming invaders but Yeshua doesn’t. It seems to me that the Prince of the Covenant isn’t the King of the Covenant! They are different! The principalties didn’t know the king was coming, if they had, they wouldn’t have crucified Him. Who could have expected that the I am would go so far as to wrap himself in flesh and dwell among us. Let’s go even further down the rabbit hole towards the prince…
Revelation 19: 11-16 (NKJV)
“Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.”
As we can see this description matches the risen Jesus and the ancient of days in Daniel, the father judges no one as stated in john as well. Let us continue
“And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp two edged sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: King of Kings and Lord of Lords.”
As we can see He treads the winepress, this will be important to a point about the prince later. Just bare with me a little bit longer….
Isaiah 63: 1-4
“Who is this that cometh from Edom, With crimsoned garments from Bozrah? This that is glorious in his apparel, Stately in the greatness of his strength?—‘I that speak in victory, might to save.’—Wherefore is thine apparel red, and They garments like his that treadeth in the winevat?’ I have trodden the winepress alone, And of the peoples there was no man with Me; Yea, I trod them in Mine anger, And trampled them in My fury; And their lifeblood dashed against My garments, And I have stained all My raiment.”
As we can see the speaker is shocked that someone else has stained clothes like him. The speaker is Jesus who treads the winepress and as we read in the earlier verse his clothes were stained with blood. But who is this other person Yeshua sees coming—the prince. Let’s take a closer look now…
Jeremiah 30:21 (JPS)
“And their prince shall be of themselves, And their ruler shall proceed from the midst of them; And I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto Me; For who is he that hath pledged his heart to approach unto Me?” said the LORD.
Now who is the LORD(I am) lets take a look. Wasn’t Jesus with God at the beginning? Why would he make a pledge?
John 8:58 KJV
“Jesus said to them, “I assure you: before Abraham was, I am.”
He said this in many other places, including when the soldiers came to arrest Him in the garden. If Jesus is the I am and the Father judges no one then who is this prince in Jeremiah who pledged his heart to approach Yeshua? Jesus always had the attention of the Father as we will prove now…
John 11: 42 KJV
“And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which standby I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.”
Yeshua always had the attention of the Father. He is the only one to judge, not the Father. He matches the description of the Ancient of days and is even called so in the JPS which is the most jewish translation of the old testament and the closest one to the original meaning in English. He said that he would give someone coming the throne, the way his father did for him. This person would have servants but wouldn’t be worshipped. The rulers of darkness would not have crucified him if they knew what they were doing. It is evident that the prince is not the king and the king is not the prince. Messiah simply means anointed, David, Saul, Samuel, and others were called Messiah. It appears that Messiah the prince is not Messiah the King! They are different people! It appears that the King of Kings is not the Prince of Princes, and that each are mentioned differently by both God, scripture, and plain logic. There is more evidence I have but I feel that this has gone on long enough. I believe that the man child is the prince because Jesus is in heaven at the time of the writing, Revelation is a book of prophecy and it wouldn’t speak of the past. The prince is on earth and the devil is looking for him, he seems to be the weak link in Bible prophecy. He isn’t The Father, Son, or Holy Spirit yet he is important which makes him an easy target for Satan. There are more verses to prove my point with reflective justification but I believe this to be good enough for now, there is already sufficient evidence to prove that Jesus is not the prince. Even lost books like the Ascension of Isaiah mentions that Jesus has a chosen one, things are about to get interesting, seeing how this is the true Jubilee year as well. Whoever this guy is, he is out there waiting to be revealed, the prince of the millennium.
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NaSI you tried,but you got alot of things wrong.i’m the male child.am both a king and a priest and a prince.it’s i the father call david in ezikiel..i am not a weak link.i am a God carrier and carrier of is glory.christ is the glory.i have the seven spirit of God like jesus.see isaiah 11.it’s i.i am to accomplish the other parts of isaiah 53 and the prophecies,being one with jesus and the father.i will go to jerusalem at the time appointed,even on the day of her trouble when the nations shall invade jerusalem.that very day is the day of the lord.i will build the temple that very day by the word of authority from my month and not by hand and cause a river to flow from it..get ready to see God in human form that day.it more than you people expert.i the lord is here already.yeah shaking the economic of the earth..i am not an ordinary prince has you thought.it writting of me in psalm 45 and all over the scriptures being one with jesus.i thought paul said one is made the image of the son!
You would think that someone of your exalted position would have better spelling.
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You cannot declare yourself a prophet! God must do it.
Interesting .I understand and agree with what you are saying. Thought to ponder in isaiah 59 and 63 where it says there was no intercessor . Isaiah 59 saystherefore my own arm brought salvation unto him Isaiah 63 says I saw there was no intercessor therefore my own arm brought salvation unto me. Now I wonder why the speaker here who I believe is The Lord Jesus Christ virgin born born without sin would have to save himself? During the millennium son of David will be a sinner saved by grace just like the rest of the members of the body of Christ .
There’s something I just don’t get about this: If the time period is millenial, why would an animal sacrifice conducted in relation to this prince and the people of the land?
Galatians says: “If I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.”
What business does anyone have attempting to cover sin with the blood of a bull in light of Jesus’ redemption?
If animal sacrifice is necessary for this man and the people of the land, then who of natural birth could it not be necessary for? And if animal sacrifice is necessary, what then did Jesus’ sacrifice accomplish?
Dennis, animal sacrifices are not necessary, never were. They are a gift from God for our teaching and they honor him.
Heard the sacrifices are memorial, and I’m here wondering. Jesus instituted bread and wine for memorial.
Are we saying that in the millennium that will be set aside and we revert to bloody sacrifices?
Vooks, that’s what Ezekiel literally tells us, sacrifices are coming back and they are no so bloody as you think.
The guilt offering is what was done at the cross..the burnt..peace..and grain r thanksgiving offerings to the Lord..to worship Him as this pleases Him…the sin offering is not like the guilt offering which is not mentioned in ezek…the sin offering is an offering made for unintentional or unknown sins…if we lack knowledge of our sin we r not held accountable..so again the sin offering had nothing to do with the blood…the offerings r fir Gods pleasure and us to worship Him…
Obviously no one understands this and it is part of the “hidden manna” or something sealed until we are translated to be a “spirit of righteous men made perfect” (Heb 12:23) or do have resurrected bodies in the Millennium
Hidden?
Why are we even told about its existence if it is totally ‘not for us’?
This is escapist.
There is nothing hidden or revealed that supercedes the Revelation of Jesus Christ. He is the reference point, and not the prophets.
There will never be need for reversing the gains on the cross
Jesus does offer sacrifices -/ Hebrews clearly says He offered His own blood and also Hos body as well as ever living to fulfill other priestly duties and it is a resurrected human body that he has so we can’t say He doesn’t have a human body — He does have a human body but’s resurrected like ours will be.
What everyone is missing here is this is the end of a age and a beginning of a New Age. When there is a new age there has always been a change in the priesthood and when there is a change in the priesthood that priest MUST offer sacrifices for himself. There has been 6 ages so far were are at the end of the sixth age. No one wants to consider that the Male Child or Man Child talked about the New Testament is someone other than Jesus this idea fills in so many blanks in questions that people have about end time events.
Really enjoy each one of your comments, I always learn a lot from the comment section. I’ve been a believer for 6 years now and I’m quite low on the learning curve, but diligently reading YAHWEH, YAHUAH or YAHUWAH’ S Word daily. I just finished Ezekiel today for my tenth time of reading the Bible and I don’t think I ever said WOW before, but this time that word came out of my mouth at least 10 times, maybe more.
I’m not at the pay grade yet to offer my thoughts, just trying to absorb yours. Just thought you might find enjoyment, knowing you have newbies reading your stuff. One of thoughts I had after chapter 48 was, I’m surprised Ezekiel made it into the canonical books and not thrown to side with apocraypha books. I don’t think I’ve heard a Church preach on Ezekiel or maybe I fell asleep and miss it.
Tim, correct me if I’m wrong, but Ezekiel 40 – 48 are AFTER the millennium, not during. That is why those chapters follow the Gog and Magog incursion just as Rev 20 does and it also is after the millennium when G&M (got and magog) happen.
Steve, Ezekiel 40-46 is about the Millennial Temple. Ezekiel is not in chronological order. Ezekiel 39 (Armageddon) comes before Ezekiel 40-46 while Ezekiel 38 comes after the Millennium.
Is there any substantial evidence of that though, I could swear Gog and Magog were a tribulation thing? Also, the end of the Ezekiel battle is many months of work for the Israelites, while Revelations 20:8,9 say that Gog/Magog are ‘devoured’ with fire.
Gog Magog is two wars, Armageddon (Rev 19=Eze 39) and post-mil revolt (Rev 20=Eze 38). One ends with many months of work (Armageddon) the other they burn up (post-mil revolt).
I wondered the same thing myself, but i think God is calling the antichrist Gog of Magog because he is encompassing vessel of Satan…because youll notice the the slain army is buried, not thrown into lake of fire after Satan is burn after the Battle of Gog n Magog…its like foreshadowing language..like God spoke to the King if Tyre and compared him to Lucifer…remember the New Jerusalem after 1000 years and Satan thrown into fire and the wicked has no temple..
The millennial kingdom has a temple because sin is not yet purged…study about the red heifer and its ashes mixed with living water for cleansing the people in contact with death…first the sacrifice, then three days later people are sprinkled with ashes andcwater, then the 7th day the people are full cleansed to come into temple
Who is the Prince? PART 2
Revelation 1:1 (KJV)
“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.”
COMMENT: This passage clearly tells us none of the prophecies from this sentence on has happened yet. The man child cannot be Christ or this verse is a lie, John clearly states that it must shortly come to pass, not that it has happened already.
Revelation 2: 26 (KJV)
“And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: that one will rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches.”
Comment: Sounds familiar doesn’t it. Almost like the man child of revelation twelve. It is interesting to note that the scripture doesn’t say that Christ hands the man-child the rod of iron but that he will rule them with one. Many make this out to be a company of people, but again, the verb is SINGULAR not plural.
Daniel 9:26 (KJV)
“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
Comment: Many in the church have speculated that the prince who is to come is the antichrist. I, on the other hand, must disagree. The Bible isn’t out to confuse the people of God. It has used bad imagery to describe bad people and good imagery to describe good people. For example: it describes satan as a red dragon. It describes the one we call antichrist as a beast. A prince is never a bad connotation unless God says the prince is wicked as in the case of Ezekiel where God call out against the wicked prince of Israel. I also believe this is why the prince doesn’t keep the Passover, because if he were in a purely Jewish family he would keep it. But the prince in Ezekiel needs to be reminded. The Romans along with some turks raided and destroyed Jerusalem but it was mainly the Romans as history tells us.
Hebrews 11:6 (YLT)
“And apart from faith it is impossible to please well, for it behoveth him who is coming to God to believe that He is, and to those seeking Him He becometh a rewarder.”
Comment: Did Paul perhaps know something we didn’t? It seems his friend Silvanus, who is mentioned throughout the New Testament did. The verb again is SINGULAR and the statement is definite. As we will see later….
Jeremiah 30:21 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“And their prince shall be of themselves, and their ruler shall proceed from the midst of them; And I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto Me; For who is he that hath pledge his heart To approach Me? Saith the Lord.
Comment: Again we see that the man child is taken up to God and his throne in Revelation. Also it mentions the prince shall be of themselves, but as we already know-the church are grafted in branches into Israel. Can it mean not only by blood but perhaps this verse means he will be human. Not God the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. As the promise of Yeshua states multiple times in Revelation. This also reveals the mind of the prince, he is praying to see God and approach him! (Refer to my old comment…)
Hosea 3:4 (KJV)
“And the children of Israel shall sit solitary many days without king, and without prince, and without sacrifice, and without pillar, and without ephod or teraphim; afterward shall the children of Israel return and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall come trembling unto the Lord and to His goodness in the end of days.”
Comment: Again we see that the offices of King and Prince are separate and different in the eyes of God. Yeshua is the King and what is being described here almost sounds like what is going to be reinstated in Ezekiel.
1 John 4:9 (KJV)
“In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.”
Comment: In many places it mentions Jesus as the only begotten. Why? Why would Bible writers go so far as to mention this. I think I know why, but again, I’m just theorizing here… The man child is called the man child for a reason. God doesn’t state things without plan or purpose. I personally believe, I could be wrong, that the man child is just a man who God adopts like a son, which is why he is called the man child. He isn’t the only begotten son, he is a man who has become like a child in God’s eyes, a very special human… Which would explain why he is so close to the temple and why he is given so much land in Ezekiel!
Revelation 12:5 (KJV)
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
Comment: It sounds like the prince got what he wanted and its interesting to note that it says God and to his throne. Now why separate that let’s take a look at the next verse.
1st Kings 8:27 (KJV)
“But will God indeed dwell on earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!”
Comment: This verse is telling. It reveals that there is more than one heaven- as the new testament and many books outside the Bible, like the Ascension of Isaiah states. But it also reveals that God the Father, The one on the giant white throne at the ending of Revelation, is incredibly large. And we know that Jesus sits on a throne on the right hand of the father. So the man child must be taken there. Again, revelation said it must come to pass, not that it has happened already. Revelation 12 says the man child was soon to have control of the nations and the promise of Yeshua before said he would. So when the man child goes to heaven he still doesn’t have authority but he may have the rod because why would John mention it, He must have seen the rod in the revelation vision.
Revelation 12: 13 (KJV)
“And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who had given birth to the man.”
Comment: Interesting that the original manuscript says man but child is italicized meaning, it’s excluded! The first part of the verse has child but the second part doesn’t. Some have speculated that the man child must be a child at the time when he sees God. I disagree. The verse here reveals that the woman had given birth to the man and in Ezekiel we know that he has sons. This is one reason it can’t be King David. How can David have more children if we are like the angels and don’t give or take in marriage? Plus David keep the whole law except in the case of Uriah and Bathesheba. Moses came before David so David would have celebrated the Passover… the prince needs to be told to take the Passover. David and Jesus both always took the Passover and during the holidays they would have eaten unleavened bread as all Jews still do to this day. Again, King David is disqualified based upon these reasons and probably more if I apply my noggin to it.
It is David….
Reminded because memory does not work that way when you are reincarnated. I definitely needed to be reminded. Lol
Also Moses = David
Don’t know who you are but God has giving you a spiritual insight that few have,
The woman w child and 12 stars above her head and moon at her feet is a sign in the stars of Virgo…It will be a sign from God..in Gen 1:14 he made sun moon and stars for light..for signs..for seasons and for days and years.. Satan likes to mimic what God has created..this is mot the Zodiac of satan..this is biblical prophecy playing out in the stars…God specifically mentions pleeuhdese. Orion..orions belt..and the bear in the word of God..the male child in rev is a sign given by God in the stars..as Virgo rises in early morning..the moon at her feet and the 12 stars above her head..the zodiac literally is the story of the messiah in the sky…God is so good
Who is the Prince PART 2 (CONTINUATION)
Luke 24:27 (KJV)
“And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.”
Comment: This too is telling: This reveals that the Psalms are also books of prophecies. I have found many psalms that some have ascribed to David, but Jesus clearly points they are prophetic. I believe that the quotes that sound unlike the character of Christ belong not to David but to the prince. I believe this for many reasons and I will share some examples here but not all because that would take forever. Again, Yeshua showed them the parts concerning himself, which means that there are parts that don’t concern him at all! Why mention this if it isn’t relevant, Christ means what he says and says what he means.
Isaiah 28:2-9 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
“Behold, the Lord hath a might and strong one, As a storm of hail, a tempest of destruction, As a storm of mighty waters overflowing, That casteth down to the earth with violence.”
Comment: If Jesus is the Lord, then who is this mighty and strong one that He has. If Jesus is the King of Kings and King of heaven and earth, Creator that came down in the flesh, then who is this who is mighty and strong but at the same time in subjugation to another. Does the Lord have himself?
Isaiah 28: 9 (KJV)
“Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:”
Comment: Read Isaiah 28:2-9 fully to understand that this is still talking about the Lord’s mighty and strong one. People in Jesus’s time understood scripture better than people of today’s time. Today’s world is filled with distractions, prosperity, and general false teaching including many lazy Christians who don’t read God’s word for themselves. This quotes seems to apply to this time more than the time during Christs and again Christ is subjected to no one. He is the King of Kings.
Psalm 45:8 (KJV)
“To the chief Musician upon Shoshannim, for the sons of Korah, Maschil, A Song of loves. My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king; my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee forever. Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with they glory and majesty. And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. Thine ARROWS are sharp in the heart of the KING’S enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.”
Comment: Remember the Arrow part, it will be important later. But again as you can clearly see the psalm is stating that this person is not the King. He fights for the King, as the previous verses have stated.
Revelation 6: 1-2 (KJV)
“And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering and to conquer.”
Comment: Now here is the kicker again. Many have ascribed this to the antichrist but again they got the imagery wrong. White horses doesn’t describe something that is evil, god isn’t trying to fool any of use. Imagery in the Bible isn’t made to confuse anyone, man alone complicates things. I take the opinion of Revelation End Time’s youtube channel that this is the end time prophet and prince who is coming to make ready the bride of Christ. Again this rider wheres a stephanos crown, in the original language, not a diadem. The diadem is only worn by the antichrist and Jesus. Jesus wouldn’t give antichrist a crown and this person also has an arrow as one of the psalms concerning him clearly mentions as well!
Daniel 11: 22 (KJV)
“And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown before him, and shall be broken; yea also the prince of the covenant.”
Comment: The original if you read KJV, mentions he shall be broken to pieces. Now let us observe a shadow code that God placed in the Torah.
Exodus: 29:17 (KJV)
And thou shalt cut the ram in pieces, and wash the inwards of him, and his legs, and put them unto his pieces, and unto his head. And thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar: it is a burnt offering unto the LORD: it is a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
Comment: Another book outside the bible mentions Elijah dying on an altar by the hands of the antichrist but again I am sticking to the Bible for now. It mentions the ram being broken in pieces the same way the prince will be. We know that the Old Testament contained the shadow code and just as Jesus died outside of Jerusalem, the sacrificial lamb in the Torah died outside the camp! But Jesus never died on an alter and he is the lamb of God, not ram. Some have ascribed the two rams symbolizing the ways the two witnesses will die, this can be the case too. I’m only presenting this here as food for thought to the ready reader.
Isaiah 42:19-21 (JPS Tankah 1917)
“Who is blind, but My Servant? Or deaf, as My messenger that I send? Who is blind as he that is wholehearted, And blind as the Lord’s servant? Seeing many things, thou observes not; Opening the ears, he heareth not.”
Comment: Again, this could simply be Jesus… But Jesus was in the temple when he was twelve and he knew who he was. He even called the temple ‘My father’s house.’ Was Jesus ever blind or deaf?
Psalms 43:5 (YLT)
“What! Bowest thou thyself, O my soul? And what! Art thou troubled within me? Wait for God, for still I confess Him, The salvation of my countenance, and my God!”
Comment: Who is up in the throne room with God interceding for humanity? Did Jesus Christ, the King of Kings, ever bow himself to another? Does Jesus need salvation of his countenance, He who made everything, saved everything, and is forever glorified? Think about it!
Extra things to chew on….
The Teachings of Silvanus
“Know who Christ is, and acquire him as a friend, for he is the true friend. He is also God and teacher. He, being divine, became human for your sake.
“He is the one who broke the underworld’s iron bars and bronze bolts. He is the one who attacked and threw down every arrogant tyrant, the one who loosened the bonds with which he was being held, and brought up the poor from the abyss and the mourners from the underworld, the one who humbled the arrogant powers, the one who, through humility, put arrogance to shame, the one who through weakness, threw down the strong and the boaster, the one who through his shame, scorned what is thought to be honorable, that humility for God’s sake might be highly exalted, the one who put on humanity and is God, the divine Word, the one who always bears patiently with humanity, and wished to instill humility in THE EXALTED ONE.”
Comment: The Ascension of Isaiah also mentioned the Devil and principalities didn’t know Jesus was coming and it mentions that the Lord has a chosen one. It also states that Jesus would trample death and another book titled The Gospel of Nicedemous (My favorite extra biblical book but I might have misspelled Nicedemous- I know you guys will forgive me…) states that’s what happened exactly. I was going to include the quotes but this comment is already super long. Some of these books even go on to name some of the principalities such as Ornias, Sasabek, Berotth, Yobel, Athoth, and many other demons who have ruled the world in the shadows, but I don’t have time to get into it now. The Gospel of Nicedemous also states that Beelzebub and Satan are actually different beings, which upon my further research I would have to agree with, but I can’t prove it here because this comment again has gone far enough already. I also have more verses that I believe are about the prince, but again, I’ll leave it here for now.
BTW Tim, I know this is off topic but I just wanted to ask you a quick question that is too tough for me to answer.
(2nd Samuel 24:1) (KJV)
“And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, ‘Go, number Israel and Judah”
1st Chronicles 21:1 (KJV)
“And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.”
“SO WHO DID IT? GOD or SATAN? My theory is that the he in Samuel 24:1 is implying Satan, but as it reads, it seems like God. Again it could be a translation error or grammatically off… I have other theories that are even further fetched too… What are your thoughts Tim? Thanks so much…
Youre on point nasi
Hi Tim, does this mean that there will be animal sacrifices during the millennium? Why, if Jesus is already the perfect sacrifice? Why, if Jesus is reigning during the millennium?
Gina, see my article on animal sacrifices in the Kingdom.
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9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
Shalom Aleichem!!!
YULI
PRAY THE RUACH HAKODESH TO REVEAL THIS MYSTERY !!!
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JEREMIAH 30:9 SHALOM!!!
9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
Shalom Aleichem!!!
YULI
PRAY THE RUACH HAKODESH TO REVEAL THIS MYSTERY !!!
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JEREMIAH 30:9 SHALOM!!!
YULI
August 15 ,2018 10:43
I like the this post so much.
So who is the prince?
Is it David? Or could it be after the wedding of Christ there cometh forth a prince?
Jesus Son from the wedding with the bride? I am confused.
🙁
Comment on the prince in the book of Ezekiel. The prince in Ezekiel will be as David was chosen by god born like Moses was to fulfill the scripture as it is written. When John fell down to worship the angel in Revelations the angel said don’t worship me worship god i have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The angel basically said to John i am a sinner saved by grace just like you John. The second time John falls down to worship the angel is for the Jews . The angel says don’t worship me i am of the servants the prophets. Now Moses said when he spoke of the Messiah Behold the Lord our god shall raise up a prophet likened unto me hear ye him. Moses was not virgin born nor born without sin. Now an interesting thought when David was 14 years old of the age to deal with god as a man his Bar Mitsva he was anointed by Samuel and told he would be the King of Israel. David didn’t strut around saying i am the King of Israel but waited for god to bring it to pass. He was anointed a second and third time my point is for the entire time he knew who he was. The prince the anointed one the Messiah the one chosen like David like Moses is a man on earth who knows who he is. One more thought Isaiah 53 says when we shall see him there is no beauty we should desire him. Gordon
Hi Gordon – Isaiah is referring to Jesus isn’t it
Wow, what an amazing discussion. It is really on point. So many scholars are confused on these points.
The book titled “ENIGMATIC SUNRISE” on google will take you to amazon. The book speaks in detail concerning this prince and reveals much about him. Even as that man-child, the son of man, and the hidden one, hid in the shadow of his hand and in his quiver.
(Isa.49:2KJV) And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath (he hid me,) and made me a polished shaft (an arrow;) in his quiver hath (he hid me.)
He is the (rider/hidden arrow) on the white steed, with a bow with no arrow (the rider is the hidden arrow coming out of His quiver.)
(Rev.6:2KJV) And behold a white horse: and he that sat upon him had a bow; and crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering and to conquer.
In the book he (the prince) is also revealed as the conquer/overcomer; and also many other flattering names and titles are given him, for he is surnamed (meaning in the Hebrew vernacular given many flattering names and titles.)
(Isa.45:4KJV) I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
He is called Israel in (Isa.49:3KJV.) Which is a hidden way of revealing the prince, for the man Israel is named prince (in scripture) and an individual is being called the servant in this verse/passage.
(Isa.49:3KJV) And he said unto me, thou art my servant O Israel (prince,) in whom I will be glorified.
You can “look inside” the book (“ENIGMATIC SUNRISE”) and read almost all of its contents without purchasing it. It never sold well but the concepts might have been difficult for the majority to understand.
This sight was a blessing when I first discovered it last month. It lined-up almost to the tee with what the book sought to reveal, but in further detail as the book is discussing more on the subject matter. Many of your comments were very articulate and well thought-out. I was very encouraged to read the thought of those of you who are not so mindset in the concepts others are teaching. Those who have a tendency to follow and regurgitate the words/thinking of others just because it’s established as a set truth is not always the scriptural hypothesis . Than if this tendency be so, it isn’t correct at all if it doesn’t line-up with the Word. For the Word never contradicts itself.
The book was published in 2006.
This has been a fun thread.
I found the answer on two other websites.
God has always promised Israel a descent in the line of David will always rule.
We know the Prince isn’t Jesus because of the verses mentioned about him offering sacrifices for himself, and the verses about giving land to his sons. The Prince will be a real human descendent of the line of King David.
From Jack Kelley’s website. Gracethrufaith.com. see below. (I also found same answer on an “Ask a rabii site”. They (rabiis) even have more supporting verses.
Question:
Ezekiel 48:21mentions the property belonging to the “prince”, who is the prince?
Answer:
The “prince” is first mentioned in Ezekiel 34:24 where it appears to refer to David, although David had been dead for 400 years when Ezekiel wrote this.
Then in Ezekiel 37:24 God had Ezekiel say that David will be their king, but in Ezekiel 37:25 He said David will be their prince forever. Ezekiel 44:3 says only the prince can use the East Gate. Ezekiel 45:7 tells us the prince will be given land surrounding the property of the Holy City and the Temple.
In Ezekiel 45:15-16 the people of Israel are commanded to give the prince portions of their wheat, barley and oil, and one sheep for every 200, which he will use for the mandatory offerings.
Finally, we get clues that the prince of Ezekiel 48:21 is a human in his natural state. We know this because he will have to offer sacrifices for his own sins (Ezekiel 46:12) and will give gifts to his sons for their inheritance (Ezek. 46:16).
Put it all together and it appears the verses that refer to David as their King speak of the Lord, and those that refer to David as their prince describe a succession of human descendants of David’s who will govern Israel in a subordinate role to the Lord.
Remember, the Lord promised David that both his house and his throne would endure forever (2 Sam. 7:16). His house refers to his descendants, a succession of princes. His throne is the one upon which Jesus will reign over the house of Jacob forever (Luke 1:31-33).
Comment on the Prince of ezekiel and our Lord Jesus. The scripture where Ezekiel is commissioned Ezekiel 3 to go speak to a people of a strange speech and of a hard language verse3-6 states . Not to many people of strange speech and a hard language whose thou canst not understand. The scripture that also says he is sent to a nation he does not know could this be the Prince? Also something to think about Elijah and Elisha two completely different people same spirit. The Lord Jesus and The Prince same spirit. Something else to think on . Our Lord Jesus is totally unique there is only one born without sin also only one who is virgin born. This whole exercise is to restore fellowship back to as it was in the garden. Now the Lord Jesus is the only object of worship every knee shall bow every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Son of David the Prince The Anointed One chosen and born to fulfill what is written will rule for 1000 years with a rod of iron. He also will worship the one God the Lord Jesus. The restarting of the sacrifice i see the millennium as the day of rest. Therefore it has been 6000 years or six days the seventh day is the millennium. Because prior to the offering of the sacrifice there was only the law then no one received the promise as it is written I AM the truth the light salvation only through the Lord Jesus. Therefore the millennium is a grace period for the chosen of Israel to accept the gospel. After the millennium the eighth day there will be another cleansing for those who reject ending with the white throne judgement.
Revelation 2:26-29