America Falls Before or After Wormwood?

Lou asked

Does the turmoil and destruction caused by a planet x [wormwood] come before or after the ‘demise’ of America (babylon) thru war? It would appear that the destruction of 1/3 of the world by this planet would utterly disable most of the wolds technologies (fuel, food, and electrical energy production/distribution, etc) .. making it nearly impossible for nations to wage war against one another. Not to mention that much of the worlds harbors and ships would lay in destruction also.

We can know for sure from Revelation 14’s three angel’s messages that the fall of America the Babylon occurs right before the rise of the Beast at the 5th trumpet that places the mark on everyone. This is because the 2nd angel message announcing the fall of Babylon comes before the 3rd angel message warning not to take the mark (which is introduced at the start of the Great Tribulation).

Further, America’s fall must be after the 4th trumpet which is the final effect of Planet X/Wormwood because the first angel’s message warning people to repent happens right before Planet X/Wormwood passes at the 6th seal. Because Planet X happens so fast in the 6th seal through 4th trumpet, it’s doubtful that an enemy attack would happen before the 4th trumpet hits. So I place the fall of America between the 4th trumpet and 5th trumpet for this reason. It makes a lot of sense as you say with infrastructure out that America’s military relies on more than any other country for its advantage that this would be when Russia and her communist allies would strike.

If you doubt any nation will have the ability to wage war after Wormwood, then just note that the 6th trumpet speaks of a war between the Beast (essentially the revived Roman Empire with England/the lion at the helm – Dan 7:4 ) and enemies from the north and east (Dan 11:44 – China and Russia) will start a war with him. Also there is the final war of Armageddon after this making a total of at least three clear wars prophesied after Planet X. (A fourth would be the pretrib, pre-wormwood Arab-Israel war coming first).

26 thoughts on “America Falls Before or After Wormwood?”

  1. Have you seen the internet article entitled “Pretrib Rapture Diehards”? It is stunning. Lots of new info about the rapture’s birth in 1830. Seems a lot of stuff has been deliberately covered up for some reason. Am wondering why. The article can be read if you go to Yahoo etc. and type in the article’s title. Some are saying that NO organized Christian group before 1830 taught anything even close to a pretribulation rapture! God bless. Bruce

  2. I found the article and was familiar with the arguments used. However, if one used the same arguments about many of my ideas on Bible prophecy that they are new and have never been taught before then you might be tempted to reject. As such I never cite in my articles whether Jews or Christians tradtional teaching supports my argument. The only thing that matters is if the scripture rightly divided and plainly read with no tricks supports your thesis. If you go this way most likely your conclusions will put you at odds with most traditional religious teachings. However, Jesus said it was a narrow path through a strait gate that a minority find, not the accepted wide path that many find.

  3. Now i don’t want to take away from this topic but this just begs the question here.. please bare with me, im not vaste in my knowledge like some of you might be but a learning Christian. Anyway here goes my question with the Quote to come first.

    “Isaiah 17 :1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.”

    Now with The U.S. on the verge of war with IRAN, and Iran and Syria being close allies, and with Russia and China openly standing by Irans side and refusing to take any stance against it on its nuclear projects like the US and Its european allies, what do you think about — The U.S. along with isreal or aiding Isreal strike against Iran and in some way tieng in syria and destroying Damascaus with it (As we know Damascaus is one of the oldest cities and an unfullfilled prophecy we do have above, correct me if im wrong on this.) and then having Russia and China retaliating against the US (babylon) completely destroying it, or severaly damaging it then having “Wormwood” (Which im skeptical about btw) hitting us. Do you think thats plausible or do you still think even though the way things are going in current world affairs that Wormwood will hit first then the US will be attacked by Russia and China?

  4. According to, America is still too strong for Russia even with China to take on, so I highly doubt it will take place before Wormwood’s blinding of America’s satellite Achille’s heel. Israel will strike out in self-defense ala “The Samson Option” at Damascus according to Isaiah 17 and other prophecies so fast that the war will be over in a day, before any allies can come to prevent it. This will no doubt happen before Wormwood comes and the way Iran is acting it could be much sooner than Wormwood comes (impossible this decade).

  5. Now, y’all keep saying America is supposedly Babylon. Do y’all not believe that the prophecies are talking literally about Babylon in Iraq?

  6. From what i know, the ACtual place where the original babylon was built has never ever been rebuilt. Its just a desert of nothingness, not sure why Iraq is considered “Babylon” in anyway — Also i heard the Old babylon was represented by an Eagle. As we find with America, and Babylon did the same thing that AMerica is doing, Putting all nations beneath its feet, either militarly like we see, or politicly like its been for a while now. I mean theres plenty of other reasons also i guess a link to a site that explains it would be good, i think Tim has one here that explains why America is babylon.

  7. I’ve just always believed that it is literally talking about Babylon. In Babylon right now, there is some kind of a military base called “Camp Babil”. Before Saddam was captured, he was rebuilding Babylon. His “role-model” was King Nebuchadnezzar. He had his name written on the bricks he was using to rebuild the city. But, after his capture, many people started looting Babylon and its museum. As far as I can tell the museum for Babylon is either in Babylon or right beside it. I could be wrong. Some kind of Multi-National Division was put in Camp Babil since then. They have been repairing the museum and installing cameras to keep the area secure from looters.

    I still think that somebody’s going to get back to rebuilding Babylon, but I don’t know.

  8. Im pretty sure america is babylon. I doubt its Iraq, Iraq cannot be babylong, simply because it does not fit the comparisons between teh old babylon and the New America Does.

    Also the Geographical area of Babylon where it used to stand is an empty Desert. There is nothing there.

    So if you have to choose between America as Babylon or Iraq, and i don’t know why people where thinking Iraq because it has nothing to do with babylon as far as i know, then AMerica is the more logical Choice. In New York city, there are Signs and other such that say, “Babylon” etc refering to the city of New York and other such things, i can’t remember where i read this, but i think thers ab ook out on why America fits babylons discription so very well.

  9. A big clue to the identity of Mystery Babylon is right in the name: “mystery”. Its identity is a mystery and thus cannot be literal Babylon.

    The other thing that disqualifies Iraq is that Mystery Babylon is said to have a deep sea water port so the ships can approach with their goods to deliver at the harbor but have to turn away seeing her burn (Rev 18). As you approach New York City to enter the port, you see the word “Babylon” written on a sign because it is the name of a city that Jews populated and named! There are many other points that only America with NYC literally fit

  10. I don’t know what y’all think about Theomatics, but the “United States of America” in greek is “Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες της Αμερικής”. In Theomatics that equals 2760. In Revelation 18 “Babylon the Great” is “babulwn h megalh” its value is 1380, exactly half of “United States of America”. Interesting if you believe Theomatics.

    I also noticed that in Revelations, Babylon is mentioned 6 times and is always refered to as “Great”. Anywhere else that it is mentioned in the New Testament it’s never refered to as “Great”. So that might be the hint that it is different from the old Babylon.

    But the actual city of Babylon still stands. Check the link that I put on my previous post.

  11. Well remember in revalations it says “Myster Babylon” like tim said, so that should be a major clue that its obviously not the original babylon of old or else that wouldn’t be much of a mystery lol.

    Interesting however what you found hehe.

  12. Ok if America is Babylon,

    Jer 51:49 As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth.

    How has America “caused the slain of Israel to fall”?

  13. A better question is how does USA fulfill this: “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.” answers it well. If you really are interested in this topic there is no better research on it.

    But America easily can be pinned for all the land for peace deals and Oslo arming of the non-peace-partner P.A. enabling the Intifada and death of thousands of Israelis.

  14. I believe that we live end times for:

    8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

    Wormwood is Chernobyl (nik) in Russian.
    This gives us a date to start from : April 26, 1986.
    Before we reach:

    10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

    There are a lot of events to take place.
    I would think time frame from now on is in decades … a few of them.

  15. Tim,

    I have read your explaination of the Book of Revelation, the ” wormwood” in particular. There are Bible codes that
    supplement and foretold the futuristic events of the comets
    and the dates of 2012 etc., please visit http://www.exodus2006
    There are speculation or interpretation of the “Mysterious
    Babylon” as being USA of America or simply New York City.
    My question is: How can the US citizens or New Yorkers escape the impending judgement that will fall upon the majority part of USA and New York City ? Where are some
    of the places for seeking shelters or escape to ?

  16. Bible codes are not nearly as reliable or interesting as the plain literal words of Daniel and Revelation which tells us the answer to your question. I wrote my book Know the Future to answer the very question you pose: if there is no pretrib rapture, what is God’s plan for his servants to escape what is predicted and where is the escape? The answer is not something you’ll ever here in Christian churches but is verifiable from the plain words of the Bible if you put all the verses together that the pretribbers ignore. The book is available here:

  17. It seems to make perfect sense to me that the US presence IN Iraq, the sheer size of the embassy that we are building in that country, could be Mystery Babylon.
    disclaimer: I haven’t gone through any information contained in the links and have only just begun my reading here. I’ve been studying on my own and am praying God will shed light on His Word for me.

  18. I found Gowd in the parking lot it;;s cowd owt, I’m a Baptist. wheres that in the bible? Im right eeryone else is wrong, I wawk on water,, I am God becuz I’m perfect but it’ s still cowd owtt

  19. Hi Tim,
    I hope it’s okay to ask here: Who ( what country) is Obadiah speaking to? Is this America as well? If yes, it says that not one will be left. 🙁 There’s a certain group that says it is.
    Thanks in advance!

    • Christina, Obadiah mentions an eagle and reaching to the stars, but all I have seen is that Edom is part of modern day Jordan. That prophecy is quoted in my book because at face value it tells us Jordan will be wiped out by Israel (Obadiah 17-18)

  20. Thank you Tim! I had forgotten about that and your interpretation makes perfect sense! Now, the eagle’s nest reaching to the stars..I’ll have to pray on that one. Thanks again and God bless you and your family. I hope all is going well. ????


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